Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Butan]

Indeed you do.

Indeed I do.

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I saw it, just pretending for added drama. 

[BlindGuy]

Well shit, Putin needs to man up, flatten UKR and take the fucking thing, if only so that 1/ ppl stop killing each other and 2/ this thread stops

[Butan]

I think we all agree.

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Nop.

[Turkhammer]

The Ukrainian army does use bombs against the rebels.
The rebels did shot down a civilian plane.

The western world is indeed trying to accuse Russia, even though they had nothing to do with it, as much as the Ukrainian army had no reasons to target a plane going over Ukraine from west to east (rebels have no planes), or as much as USA/Europe which has no standing army nearby.


I fail to see the joke. Tovi and I agree that the rebels did it, everything goes in that direction.


There is some indication that the missile battery was moved into Russia after the shoot down.



The most Russia could have had with it, is providing the weapons, and it is still a moot point.




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The rebels don't have the technical ability to operate the system.
They would need assistance from Russian technical experts.
There are recorded phone calls from rebels at the scene of the crash to Russian intelligence officers describing the wreckage and the fact that it was mistaken identity.
Putin and Russia control and supply the rebels and keep the pot boiling. 
Russian officers are known to be operating inside Ukraine.
Ukraine does not have any such batteries in that area.
Technical monitoring of the Ukrainian air defense system show no launch of any missile since this conflict began.
The black boxes were removed from the wreck and sent to Russia.
There are separtist recruitment stations set up in Moscow.

No, no connection whatsoever to Russia.

[Yarl]

The black boxes were removed from the wreck and sent to Russia.
There are separtist recruitment stations set up in Moscow.

No, no connection whatsoever to Russia.

I heard Putin personally shot down the plane then stole black boxes.
I'm from Moscow, please tell me where I can join separatist?
Seriously , check your sources.  I want to know. 
"RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA"  oh yeah

[DaveUKR]

I'm from Moscow, please tell me where I can join separatist?

http://dnr-news.com/dnr/934-v-moskve-nachal-rabotu-voenkomat-narodnogo-opolcheniya-donbassa.html
e-mail: [email protected]
skype: novoross2405

Not sure, I didn't check myself

[Tovi]

More and more free lance fighters come from outside of Ukraine : psychopaths from Russia, neo nazees from Europa etc. 

@ Dave : I was mainly in Central Europa : Poland, Cseck rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia. But a good friend of mine makes business in Ukraine. He thinks that joining EU is not a good thing (for its businees, at least, and for Ukraine too).

[Yarl]

http://dnr-news.com/dnr/934-v-moskve-nachal-rabotu-voenkomat-narodnogo-opolcheniya-donbassa.html
e-mail: [email protected]
skype: novoross2405

Not sure, I didn't check myself

No phone number and address just same text on some "yellow news" sites.
I expected more cuz you know all russians want kill ukrainians and stuff

[Butan]

http://dnr-news.com/dnr/934-v-moskve-nachal-rabotu-voenkomat-narodnogo-opolcheniya-donbassa.html
e-mail: [email protected]
skype: novoross2405

Not sure, I didn't check myself

Guys in France are recruiting to go fight in Syria.
Under your logic France is supporting the Syria jihad.


Fact: when a war happens, people who want to join badly for political/religious reasons, find ways and go.
Example: Brigadas Internacionales.


There is a fine line between that and a nation organising the recruitment...

[Turkhammer]

Guys in France are recruiting to go fight in Syria.
Under your logic France is supporting the Syria jihad.


Fact: when a war happens, people who want to join badly for political/religious reasons, find ways and go.
Example: Brigadas Internacionales.


There is a fine line between that and a nation organising the recruitment...

Hahaha, that's funny.  Are the jihadists from France taking tanks, SAM missile know how, manpads, ammunition, communications gear, and coordination with French intelligence with them when they go to fight in Syria?  That's some real Butan logic right there.

Do you think that recruitment of heavy weapons crews could take place in Russia with out the security services knowing it?  Tanks and heavy weapons and apparently SAM crews are needed by the rebels in eastern Ukraine, not cannon fodder.  They have enough ethnic Russians in east Ukraine for that.

If the Russian government and military from Putin on down cutoff support to the rebels today, they would not last a week.  Are you asking the world to believe that the uniformed men that appeared in the Crimea and in east Ukraine were not Russian special forces, paid, trained and controlled by Russia?  If so you are seriously delusional my friend.  No one in the world outside of Russian and the ethnic Russians in Ukraine believe that.

[Turkhammer]

More and more free lance fighters come from outside of Ukraine : psychopaths from Russia, neo nazees from Europa etc. 

@ Dave : I was mainly in Central Europa : Poland, Cseck rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia. But a good friend of mine makes business in Ukraine. He thinks that joining EU is not a good thing (for its businees, at least, and for Ukraine too).

Psychopaths that operate BUK missile systems and shoot down an airliner from 33,000 feet?  My, my what a talented breed of psychopaths they have in Russia.

[DaveUKR]

@ Dave : I was mainly in Central Europa : Poland, Cseck rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia. But a good friend of mine makes business in Ukraine. He thinks that joining EU is not a good thing (for its businees, at least, and for Ukraine too).

Tovi, you mother fucking retard  I asked if you were in post-soviet countries: you said "yes". I asked where because I couldn't believe it: you said you were in fucking CENTRAL EUROPE. How is ANY of mentioned countries are god damn post-soviet?  And don't lie anymore about friends in Ukraine, you have no friends.

No phone number and address just same text on some "yellow news" sites.
I expected more cuz you know all russians want kill ukrainians and stuff

I don't know and I've never even heard about this before I read it here. And if there is such point of recruitment in Moscow, I wouldn't be the first person to know this most likely secret info. I doubt such places exist in Moscow. Even if they really recruit in Moscow - they don't do it like that: "Hello, if you want to kill some Ukrainians for DNR - you're welcome on Taganka street, 2 from 9 a.m. till 6 p.m."

[Tibe]

I heard Putin personally shot down the plane then stole black boxes.
I'm from Moscow, please tell me where I can join separatist?
Seriously , check your sources.  I want to know. 
"RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA"  oh yeah

Well the black boxes are taken to Moscow. What do you think the awnser is gonna be after "investigation"? Russia will NEVER say something like "Yes, separatists did it". I think even you know that very well. Lucky that these boxes are not needed as there is shitton of proof already. Kinda obvious when the separatists say "Yay, we shot down an airplane in social media" and Ukraine doesnt know what the fuck they are talking about and 20 minutes later it turns out a civilian airplane crashed. It doesnt take a genius to realise what really happened. If russians claim something other than separatist involvement, its the biggest obvious lie of the century.

I honestly wouldnt be suprised if you could join the separatists in Moscow. I mean common. The terrorists adore you. They even took your flag and edited it a little.

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[Turkhammer]

I heard Putin personally shot down the plane then stole black boxes.
I'm from Moscow, please tell me where I can join separatist?
Seriously , check your sources.  I want to know. 
"RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA"  oh yeah

Ask around.  If you have the right qualifications and motivation I'm sure someone will contact you.

Why would Putler dirty his hands?  All he has to do is pull the strings.

The blow back from this outrage will hopefully put enough spine in the world community to increase the pain on Putler and his close circle of cronies to give them pause in their campaign to destabilize Ukraine.

[okiN]

Tovi, you mother fucking retard  I asked if you were in post-soviet countries: you said "yes". I asked where because I couldn't believe it: you said you were in fucking CENTRAL EUROPE. How is ANY of mentioned countries are god damn post-soviet? 

I guess he meant the former Warsaw Pact and didn't realize post-Soviet isn't the same thing.