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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4500 on: July 04, 2014, 10:38:32 pm »
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lol
Didn't you know you "must trust" russian media? MUST! putler demands it!
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4501 on: July 05, 2014, 12:00:08 am »
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Eeh why do I bother...
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 01:03:33 am by Tibe »

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4502 on: July 05, 2014, 02:19:19 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4503 on: July 05, 2014, 02:19:49 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4504 on: July 05, 2014, 02:20:12 am »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4505 on: July 05, 2014, 08:58:00 am »
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Its called unconventional warfare. Russia cant straight up send all their shit in. It would be insane. Seriuslly butan, i thought by now youd be quiet in this thread, since you were just plain wrong many pages back. When we stated that tanks and weapons were coming in from Russia you said "stfu, theres no proof!". And we left it that way cause yes, few months ago that really was a quess. Now theres shitloads of undeniable evidence that equipment is coming from Russia. Like tanks and antitank weaponry. Either russians are involved or russian borderpatrol is one of the worst on the planet.

Proofs ? Ukrainians and russians weapons are exactly the same. And Ukraine is the biggest weapons black market in the world. That would be very hard to proove anything.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4506 on: July 05, 2014, 09:56:05 am »
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if russian borderpatrol is letting equipment from their soil INTO ukr soil and people are seeing it, its clearly proof enough isnt it.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4507 on: July 05, 2014, 10:48:37 am »
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if russian borderpatrol is letting equipment from their soil INTO ukr soil and people are seeing it, its clearly proof enough isnt it.

Who said that ?


Ok, let's look at this :

Anders Fogh Rasmussen (general secretary of NATO) said Russia have sent T72 into Ukraine. To proove it, he showed satellite pictures and this video :

It's not T72 but T64. And Russia has no more T64 for years. Only Ukraine has T64 ( almost 600).

So, if someone shows you a T64 and says it comes from Russia, he lies.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4508 on: July 05, 2014, 11:13:34 am »
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Russia has about 4000 T64s. Just because they are out of commission and they arent used does not mean they dont exsist. They did send em and exactly for that reason that they dont use them themselves. Amazing that you manage to belive some random USA related conspiracycrap, thats barely logical to "normal people". But you dont belive such logical moves like this. Man you are in such denial. You hate US so much that you are rooting for the other side for no apparent reason.

And whats the point of me posting sources here? Sofar nomatter what source we post here, we call it shit.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 11:21:15 am by Tibe »

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4509 on: July 05, 2014, 11:36:52 am »
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Sofar nomatter what source we post here, we call it shit.

I must agree with that point  :wink:


But these T64 are equiped with PNK-6 aiming system. Russia have no access to this technology (EADS).
Old russian T64 are totally rotten or destroyed. You cannot use them after 20 years letting them rotten outside.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4510 on: July 05, 2014, 12:04:17 pm »
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kk shitloads..... gimme atleast 1 video pls how trucks with weapons and tanks cross ua-ru boarder.


And so on. These are just random videos from other hundreds of such videos (I didn't look in details, maybe some of these videos are irrelevant though, but there are plenty to choose from). Russian military forces brings vehicles to the border, then abandon them to let DNR/LNR take them.
I mean how thick do you have to be not to admit this? Weren't you guys arguing about Russian Army in Crimea? How stupid do you look now when even Putin admits that?

Proofs ? Ukrainians and russians weapons are exactly the same. And Ukraine is the biggest weapons black market in the world. That would be very hard to proove anything.

They're not exactly the same. You're incompetent in this question, like more than entirely.

Who said that ?
It's not T72 but T64. And Russia has no more T64 for years. Only Ukraine has T64 ( almost 600).

That just proves one more time how incompetent you are. Where did you take this information even? Ukraine has around 2k of T64, same with Russia, both countries use some modifications and both countries are "saving" them in warehouses. And yes, they're different with a lot of modifications.

But these T64 are equiped with PNK-6 aiming system. Russia have no access to this technology (EADS).
Old russian T64 are totally rotten or destroyed. You cannot use them after 20 years letting them rotten outside.
One more incompetent bullshit. First of all, where did you see PNK-6 on those tanks? Second, I didn't see a single T-64 with PNK-6 (though it's possible). You probably read something like a Wikipedia article not realizing that T-64, T-64BM and T-64E are 3 different things.


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4511 on: July 05, 2014, 12:22:51 pm »
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But these T64 are equiped with PNK-6 aiming system. Russia have no access to this technology (EADS).
Old russian T64 are totally rotten or destroyed. You cannot use them after 20 years letting them rotten outside.

Why are you trying to deny it so damn hard? You condemn US for significantly less proof and you are trying to deny something so oblivious. There are various tanks with various modifications and in various states, especially in Russia, a country that has a quite large warindustry. And you dont know that all the T64s are totally rotten or destroyed, you assume this. Considering that there were a lot of these made, its not very hard to belive quite many of them are still in working condition. And that still doesnt deny the fact that tanks were seen crossing the border from Russia into Ukraine.

"T-64 - Number built    ~13,000"  Tovi knows for a fact that none of them are in working condition and is aware of all the modifications they have! God your sources are amazing tovi. Tell us more truth please.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4512 on: July 05, 2014, 12:40:39 pm »
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if russian borderpatrol is letting equipment from their soil INTO ukr soil and people are seeing it, its clearly proof enough isnt it.

From the videos posted by Dave, I see 70% APC captured by rebels (I can show you videos of the capture?) which everyone know they have; the rest being road/rail transport of tanks, from where to where, by whom, impossible to tell (especially when landmarks are not shown or in cyrillic). There was those videos during the first months of the unrest, and it was transport inside Ukraine or Russia to show that tension was increasing, and the "vacants" armored vehicles were seen at the borders of the countries to show that both had dig in and prepared for war.


No videos of russian people leaving their shiny tanks in a hurry, and rebels quickly taking control of it... or could you press me to the alleged video and give me the time it happens? I admit I looked at a glance  :wink:

Its called unconventional warfare.

Unconventional warfare doesnt mean supporting rebels openly or not. It relates to what weapons are used, and bombs/missiles/bullets are part of a conventional warfare.
One could also add that, even though dictaroship Russia is strongly invading freedom Ukraine, there is an obvious lack of bombs/missiles from the insurgency side.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 12:45:05 pm by Butan »

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4513 on: July 05, 2014, 01:23:01 pm »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare
"The Department of Defense defines unconventional warfare as activities conducted to enable a resistance movement or insurgency to coerce, disrupt, or overthrow a government or occupying power by operating through or with an underground, auxiliary, and guerrilla force in a denied area."

Which means exactly supporting rebels openly or not and which is exactly what Russia is accused of. Along the lines of just straight up annexation.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4514 on: July 05, 2014, 01:27:51 pm »
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