Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Butan]

No irony, 100% pure truth!

Sometimes I post in fast succession its true 

[Butan]

Like now.

Omg you were right.

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Steel Workers in Mariupol, Ukraine seize the city and out Pro-Russian Militants

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[BASNAK]

This thread in a nutshell: 

[Tibe]

Huh? This is none of NATO's business. Ukraine is not a member. They couldn't have sent troops there.

Well Afganistan isnt a member too, yet they sent everything.

What goes on in Ukraine is damaging to its eastern allies. If they would have put a stop to it early it would have sent Russia a clear message to back off. And they would have. Pro-Russian separatists could start rising up all around Eastern Europe, cause they now know they can get away with it. The threat is there and with every town that Ukraine loses it increases everywhere, where the russians have influence. This little peptalk and the few troops NATO is giving to its allies right now, isnt too reassuring and its not intimidating to the enemy. This has almost no effect.

And Butan. If NATO foreign "peace-keepers" arent gonna be there, the Russian foreign "peace-keepers" are. And those "peace-keepers" are there to stay.

[Butan]

And Butan. If NATO foreign "peace-keepers" arent gonna be there, the Russian foreign "peace-keepers" are. And those "peace-keepers" are there to stay.

Contrary to Crimea, there isnt any in Eastern Ukraine right now. Prophetizing or wildly accusing still?

Also there is 2 different kind of foreign peace-keeping: peace-keeping which include shooting locals, and peace-keeping which include enforcing locals will.
Hint: one of them mean dead people.

[Tibe]

I dont think they are wild accusations. If they arent any there atm(which is bullshit btw), they are very ready to be.

And that last 2 kind of thing stuff u said was garbage. Dunno how to even respond to that....

[Kuujis]

I dont think they are wild accusations. If they arent any there atm(which is bullshit btw), they are very ready to be.

And that last 2 kind of thing stuff u said was garbage. Dunno how to even respond to that....

Dude, just don't bother. Butan denied russian special forces ion Crimea even AFTER being shown putler admitting it

Also - he thinks, that its a natural and spontaneous that there are (or at least innitially WERE) roving bands of identically armed, dressed and well trained troops doing the occupations, before giving the buildings to the local "rebels". Also - the anti tank and grenade launcher skills are inherent when you live in eastern europe, thus - no biggie if that the locals use these.

See, completely easy to explain.

And the special unit that russia has prepared for exactly this kind of semi-warfare - that is WAY less likely explanation. Simply not worth the attention.

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[Tovi]

Huh? This is none of NATO's business. Ukraine is not a member. They couldn't have sent troops there.

I agree with that (first time...). But think about Serbia, Libya or even Afghanistan.

[Xant]

An apples to oranges comparison. Afghanistan is the business of NATO's biggest contributor, U.S. And most importantly, NATO is not going against Russia by sending its troops there, or any other powerful country. You can bet there would be no NATO peacekeepers in Serbia or Libya if Russia's troops were on the other side of that conflict, not unless they wanted WW3.

[Lt_Anders]

I agree with that (first time...). But think about Serbia, Libya or even Afghanistan.

Afganistan: DoWed by 1 member who called in other members. If they decline they would have lost 25 Prestige. (Insult Casus Belli on a coalition is bad!)
Libya: Primarly GB/France blowing up the army preventing something much like a Syria from happening.
Serbia: To Young, can't say, but something about genocide/ethinc conflict stopping w/ UN mandate.

[Butan]

I dont think they are wild accusations. If they arent any there atm(which is bullshit btw), they are very ready to be.

And that last 2 kind of thing stuff u said was garbage. Dunno how to even respond to that....

I can appreciate an assumption and I share most of yours, but when you put no "if" and press the matter as an accepted and verified matter, you are wrong.



That may be garbage, but if there was NATO peacekeepers sent in Ukraine, that would be against the revolt. The russian forces in Crimea were for the revolt. In one case there is skirmishes, in the other there is not.
If NATO were to enter the scene right now, it would only have the name "peace"-keepers, because there would enter a fight, not continuing whats happening in an orderly manner. That is what I said.

[Christo]

Somebody should count the Europa Universalis/Paradox RTS references.

I think there are at least five or so, if not more in this thread.

[Leshma]

Serbia could use some NATO peacekeepers right now. Same goes for Bosnia. Shift focus from Ukraine a bit, please.

[Butan]

Somebody should count the Europa Universalis/Paradox RTS references.

I think there are at least five or so, if not more in this thread.

It is shameful to have to use such reference, but Europa Universalis diplomacy is so complex you might as well