Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Eugen]

While it is true that Russia wanted to keep Ukraine on a leash, you're a bit overreacting. If you come to Serbia and ask random person what he thinks happened in last 25 years, he'll tell you that "western world" deliberately ruined the country because it was too strong and they couldn't handle it any other way (slavic supremacy yo!)

Reality is that, while government can be rotten, people are to blame too. Most of you forgot that Ukrainians aren't that much different than Russians and that giving them democracy, won't implant them work ethics of German people or put them in a position to become leading world country in years to come. If Ukrainians were superior to Russian people (and not pretty much the same kind of people) as some of the comments imply, then none of this would happen. Smart people would fix the issue a lot sooner. Only when you have huge uneducated majority this happens.

What really frightens me is that even random folks like you Thomek, know that very well, but are sticking to it just because you want to see NATO base in Ukraine. Just because you want Russia to burn. If this community thought me something, is that you guys always say one thing while thinking something completely different.

I dont get your point Leshma. Why would anyone who thinks that Putin-Russia coused much interference in Ukraines politic should automatically be for NATO and Western-Supremacy??? I think its very well a coherent opinion to think that Russia did couse most of the trouble Ukraine is faced with now and also think that Ukraine should be independend. People should be strong enough to counter western attempts to buy-off the country as well as russian manipulations.

This opinion comes from a believe, where Europe and Russia could be friends. But that seems out of reach now  I admit. I think Putin messed this up and ruined the possiblity of good Euro-Russian relations. And no, I dont think we can blame US for this - I believe its a mess Putin created himself.  And furthermore I think only big difference from Russian people to others is theire history and that they can take more Vodka then others.

[Vovka]

I bet that knight/warrior is Vovka

no, rather dat brave man with radio 

[Butan]

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Odessa report with tons of pics(if you know Russian):
http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html
From preparations till the end
Short story: UKR grouped up for the march while RUS were preparing to assault the march. Cops knew, but did nothing. Then assault began. More UKR arrived & RUS retreated behind cops. Cops made shieldwall to protect RUS(wtf?), while both sides continued to throw shit at each other. Then even more UKR arrived, RUS fully retreated,
chase started. Finally, some RUS hided inside wannabe-grill building. Both sides continued to throw shit & molotovs, some fires started, some UKR gone inside to kick asses. Fire spreaded, a lot of dead(both RUS & UKR). The end.

Pro-Russians are preparing to be fried in few hours:
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Cops are protecting nаzies with shieldwall:

AK & UZI
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Dudes with molotovs:
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*RUS means Pro-Russian Ukrainians, not KGB agents.
*Guns probably not real(strikeball) or were would be a lot more dead.

Reminds me of Donetsk first protests, except that the overwhelmed side was the pro-EU guys and they were not doing anything.

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Are you really being surprised why they made a shieldwall facing that way though? Since the pro-RUS guys doesnt seem to be the winning side, nor do they throw shit directly on the cops, they orientate the shieldwall against the biggest threat, else they would have made a turtle or just backed off.
It could be that the police in the sector are with the pro-RUS people too, like many other policemen/soldiers who were sent to "deal with the terrorists", its not impossible they were turned against the pro-Kiev. But its more probable they just had orders to protect those that were the most heavily attacked, shielding civilians from projectiles. Police doesnt necessarily use its offensive weapon as a mean of stopping violence.

You could tell more of the story? Your link give access to hundreds of photos, there must be more to it than your summary  (obviously)



I will add that I dont think starting a trend of using the shortcut RUS for pro-RUS is really helpful, you will confuse many simple minds.

[Christo]

I will add that I dont think starting a trend of using the shortcut RUS for pro-RUS is really helpful, you will confuse many simple minds.

He already solved that issue at the end of his post.

[Prpavi]

Reading that several hundred pro-rus activists attacked a police station on Odesa demandig the release of people arrested yesteday

[Sir_Hans]

That guy in the medieval helmet is taking larping to a whole new level. 

[Butan]

Shoulda seen the medieval enthusiasts at maidan 

[Boerenlater]

When Assad attacks protesters the Western world is angry but when Ukraine does it it's okay?

[Leshma]

Recently, things have changed in military industry. China stopped their collaboration with USA (NATO) when it comes to developing their own "superfighter". Now they get most parts they can't produce themselves from Russia. India and Russia also have joint venture in developing superfighter. Pakistan as well. No wonder USA/NATO decided to put extra pressure on Putin last year (Syria) and this year (Ukraine). Putin stopped being nice little drunk Russian boy and re-started work that has been done by USSR for decades. They again started producing weapons that are on par with USA latest offerings.

Right now doesn't seem like new Cold War have started yet, but it has already started last year.

Next conflict will probably emerge in middle east. It may sound strange, but it could easily become a war between Iran and rest of muslim countries in the area that are supported by USA. Iran is currently on Russian side of conflict.

[Molly]

[...] They again started producing weapons that are on par with USA latest offerings. [...]

No surprise there. When China is involved, we're talking about the exact same stuff since copy and paste is their speciality.

[Leshma]

In other news...

Iran bans WhatsApp because of link to 'American Zionist' Mark Zuckerberg

Seems unrelated to this topic but it is related. They used the same language as Putin. It's obvious they are allied and what is their cause. Putin himself recently mentioned that internet is made and controlled by CIA and that he plans to detach Russian internet from american root servers.

@Molly: Well Russian design always had certain advantages to american made stuff, such as being more reliable under harsh conditions. But agree that Chinese are just copying, as always.

[Molly]

It's the same with every technical development:

2 items of a similar product group have pro and con when compared to each other. Stating that Russian stuff is better than Murrican stuff is very likely not true.

[Butan]

Stating that Russian stuff is better than Murrican stuff is very likely not true.

Whether generally or locally, this statement is not true at all times, or you need to add non-russian stuff in here too.

[Kuujis]

In other news...

Iran bans WhatsApp because of link to 'American Zionist' Mark Zuckerberg

Seems unrelated to this topic but it is related. They used the same language as Putin. It's obvious they are allied and what is their cause. Putin himself recently mentioned that internet is made and controlled by CIA and that he plans to detach Russian internet from american root servers.

Not sure if ironic or just clueless how internet works...

I think russian mafia, which are feeding from illegal internet money, will create a revolt in russia if putler turns of their pr0n downloads... True story.

[Butan]

I think russian mafia, which are feeding from illegal internet money, will create a revolt in russia if putler turns of their pr0n downloads... True story.

Not too far from your average posting actually.