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Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« on: December 01, 2013, 07:36:04 pm »
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Discussing this with Panos in another thread i would like the opinion of others in the community.

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 07:37:23 pm »
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2013, 07:39:04 pm »
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He was born in Pella which had nothing to do with greece as far as i know back then, belonging to Macedonia a country with its own culture. He shouldn't be considered a greek cause it belongs to greece today?

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 07:39:42 pm »
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Wasn't he considered macedonian
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 07:41:17 pm »
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He was born in Pella which had nothing to do with greece as far as i know back then, belonging to Macedonia a country with its own culture. He shouldn't be considered a greek cause it belongs to greece today?

Macedonia was a HELLENIC CITY STATE YOU CUNT!


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JUST BECAUSE GREECE WASNT UNITED BACK THEN, DOESNT MEAN THAT HELLENES WERENT GREEKS

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2013, 07:42:28 pm »
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He was born in Pella which had nothing to do with greece as far as i know back then, belonging to Macedonia a country with its own culture. He shouldn't be considered a greek cause it belongs to greece today?

Of course he doesn't. Mustafa Kemal was born in Thesselonica (whatever) Greece. Today he is the biggest symbol of Turkish independence.

None of the Ottoman soldiers (Janissaries) were Turks.But that didnt stop them on their conquers.

Its about how peoples culture is, the way of thinking.

And thats why Alexander is a Greek.(and a Macedonian as i mentioned before)

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 07:43:10 pm »
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Macedonia stronk
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2013, 07:44:21 pm »
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Historically, it seems like the Greeks embraced his 'Greekness' when it suited them, and rejected it at other times.

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2013, 07:45:11 pm »
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Historically, it seems like the Greeks embraced his 'Greekness' when it suited them, and rejected it at other times.

give an example please
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2013, 07:59:44 pm »
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Discussing this with Panos in another thread i would like the opinion of others in the community.

The greatest poet of poland, Adam Mickiewicz, in his most famous poem: "invocation", calls lithuania his homeland... Ofc whole poem is written in polish and the author was polish patriot. Things aren't always black and white, and weren't 2 thousands years ago, when term nationality wasn't as crystallized as today.
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2013, 08:09:44 pm »
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In that point i would agree 100% but when you look at Alexander the great i don't quite think that way. He was born in Pella, that time macedonia and conquered the eastern world, i don't entirely follow Panos way of thinking but just cause Pella is a part of greece today doesn't mean he is greek. Or have i gotten you wrong Panos?

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2013, 08:15:19 pm »
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In that point i would agree 100% but when you look at Alexander the great i don't quite think that way. He was born in Pella, that time macedonia and conquered the eastern world, i don't entirely follow Panos way of thinking but just cause Pella is a part of greece today doesn't mean he is greek. Or have i gotten you wrong Panos?

Athens ---> Athenians = Hellenes

Sparta ---> Spartans = Hellenes

Corinth ---> Corinthians = Hellenes

Macedonia ---> Macedonians = Hellenes

Back in the day, Greece wasnt united, because each city state had different priorities than the rest, but that doesnt mean that MACEDONIANS, werent HELLENES.
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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2013, 08:22:32 pm »
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That's quite interesting actually, think i'll pick up some books about it. Tried to search around couldn't find anything tough, do you happen to know any sites that covers the cultures in greece?

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Re: Was Alexander the Great considered a greek?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2013, 08:46:49 pm »
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There is this quote from Herodotus about Alexander I, the grandfather of Alexander the Great.

"And that these descendants of Perdiccas are Hellenes, as they themselves say, I happen to know myself, and not only so, but I will prove in the succeeding history that they are Hellenes. Moreover the Hellanodikai, who manage the games at Olympia, decided that they were so: for when Alexander wished to contend in the games and had descended for this purpose into the arena, the Hellenes who were to run against him tried to exclude him, saying that the contest was not for Barbarians to contend in but for Hellenes: since however Alexander proved that he was of Argos, he was judged to be a Hellene, and when he entered the contest of the foot-race his lot came out with that of the first."

Alexander I, hailing from Macedonia is described as unworthy to compete because he is a barbarian and not a Hellen, but he was deemed a Hellen because he proved that he was of Argos. Which leads me to believe that Macedonians at the time, while they shared the Greek language and culture, were not considered Hellenes by the rest of the Hellenes. Nevertheless the fact that his grandfather was judged a Greek and his mother being the daughter of the king of Epirus, still made Alexander the Great a Greek, even if Macedonians were not deemed Hellenes.