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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2013, 02:33:53 pm »
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You never die on strat, you only lose hope.

let me get emo too  :mrgreen:

btw recognize that song? ^^
Yes, I know from whence I came! Discontented as a flame, Upon myself I live and glow. All I grasp like lightning flashes, All I leave behind is ashes
Flame I am - that much I know!

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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #151 on: December 15, 2013, 02:50:18 pm »
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If these resources were designed for small clans, why do you wanted give it for DRZ? Do they look like small clan?  :rolleyes:
Rogue likes segd, and I guess he wanted to give it to him to keep it away from others?
He could choose between leaving them and waiting for the greys to cap the undefended castles (smaller clans would lose them instantly), give them to segd for shits ang giggles (and xp) or burn them to the ground and leave the strat map unchanged, all factions still as big as they were before, just with a 'dead zone' in between them.

I think this actually might have saved strategus if you look at it.

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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2013, 03:10:01 pm »
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Idiot. The difference between GO / DRZ and the rest of clans is now greater than ever. Am considering distribution or burning own tickets to redress the balance.
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2013, 03:12:19 pm »
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let me get emo too  :mrgreen:

btw recognize that song? ^^

How can I forget the shedding of manly tears listening to Fin songs  :cry:

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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2013, 03:29:21 pm »
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Apologies for coming late to the party but figured I'd just confirm the official stance from Fallen (warning - includes some hard truths and opinions, but I'm inactive so i don't care anymore :D)

Early Strat 4 was actually quite fun.  We had an alliance similar is size to the UIF and actually looked like we would be able to fight back although we always knew and accepted that full conquest was always unlikely.  Then the fail started.

First we had Kinngrimm pulling every small clan that ever existed into his alliance thereby unofficially making them part of the Anti-UIF.  They were never part of it in our eyes and we wouldn't have lifted a finger to help them, but other small clans couldn't know this for certain and so they themselves felt the need to join the stupid block war.  It would have been nice if all these other clans had fought amongst themselves.  There was certainly enough room for it with the current Strat mechanics but unfortunately the usual paranoia kicked in.

Then we had the Templol greed in taking over Yalen.  We took and held Veluca to hinder UIF trade.  Templols took an isolated corner of the map that was completely cut off from their other fiefs for nothing other than e-peen and it cost us.

Meanwhile we had the utter lack of Merc organisation.  Haboe at least tried but I guess with it being Mercs it was always a no-win situation.  In the end the only Merc armies that made it into the Uxkhal war were the ones that Coalition members picked up and led ourselves.  When the Mercs finally did get organised they started a war with our own side instead pushing yet more clans and resources towards the UIF. 

This was quickly followed up by the utter incompetence of gifting over half the resources of the Anti-UIF to the UIF through capped fiefs.  Suddenly we went from an even footing with the UIF to being completely out-resourced.  Naturally these extra UIF resources came straight at us and we had the month of hell where it wasn't just 1 battle a night, every night like at Uxkhal, it was 2 and sometimes 3 or even 4.

Put simply - people burned out.  Moving crap around the strat map has never been fun but the XP and the battles used to make up for it.  This was no longer the case though and activity plummeted.  We tried to find new people willing to take on responsibility but they either weren't up to the task or didn't have the time for it.  This is still the case in Fallen.  We haven't had a real Leader for months now and it shows on the cRPG servers.

This is why we are burning our resources - if we try to fight on all we will be doing is feeding yet more resources to the UIF who will use them to stomp other small clans.  Giving resources to small clans would have been a nice option but quite frankly it would have been a death sentence to the clans.  The UIF would have just gone for them next and I doubt there's a small clan out there capable of actually holding onto the resources long enough to do anything with them. 


At least with Segd we were fairly certain that he would honour his agreement to use the resources on XP battles which we could join in on.  We hoped that this was a sign the the UIF was getting bored itself and starting to break up.  Maybe not to the point where they would actually attack each other, but at least to a point where they don't have to hold each others hands when taking a piss.  Clearly we were wrong.  Thanks for trying though Segd :).
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2013, 04:17:14 pm »
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If these resources were designed for small clans, why do you wanted give it for DRZ? Do they look like small clan?  :rolleyes:

No one knows exactly, time will tell, but most probably strat is pretty dead...
enjoy it UIF :D
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #156 on: December 15, 2013, 08:09:24 pm »
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enjoy it UIF :D
Just everyday drama

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIkPeZKP-d4

Dutch version is better though

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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #157 on: December 15, 2013, 10:52:18 pm »
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I was suprised because Coalition got good chance to defend themselves, loads of troops/silver /EQ , good commanding (although only one effective commander was problem i think, none can be online on every battle). I hoped there will be a lot of sieges since 1/3 role is gone. Sieges over Narra was great. I was inspired to participate as merc in such nice war efforts.
 
Fiefs will be very fast taken by different strategus forces. And there are new players on conquered teritory , and GO as promised did't took it for themselves.

KalmarUnion grow powerful and they got great active war attitude, aslike Ode (they would be great if not fact they make fief attack at morning :( knowing that deffenders dont have enough clan members to fill roster, very low style). Nordmens returned, and want to retake north. Wolves become big too, even though they did't reunite with they former leader. Fenrises don't have land but got very good players.

GO/DRZ propably lacking in purpose at moment, since only Coalition could get enough very good merc to give counterbattles. Don't think someone would be ever able to get enought resources to fight them (mayby make new free trade zone  ? :))

 
I hope that will be fight at Dhrim, and enought mercenaries will show up to defend.  Its not victory if defenders won't show up. Pls make last merc stand with good style :D

Overall strategus is intresting all the time, strat battles are pure fun (better even from exp they give), and eu1 or 2 can;t compare to organized battles.

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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #158 on: December 15, 2013, 11:13:37 pm »
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I love you Tactical! Optimism and hope, that is what we need in Strat now!
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #159 on: December 15, 2013, 11:55:19 pm »
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #160 on: December 16, 2013, 12:04:19 am »
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2013, 12:24:25 am »
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Idiot. The difference between GO / DRZ and the rest of clans is now greater than ever. Am considering distribution or burning own tickets to redress the balance.

If you really cared about having good strategus fights and not just braggin rights, you'd fight DRZ.

Remember, its a game.
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #162 on: December 16, 2013, 02:34:53 am »
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If you really cared about having good strategus fights and not just braggin rights, you'd fight DRZ.

Remember, its a game.

I'll try to explain:

This war game is built on relationships and teamwork, and additionally requires motivation. You need to have an opponent and beat him on the battlefield. When you really like this guy its a bit harder treat him properly  :mrgreen:  Example from sport: boxing: before fight - severe faces with heavy look in the spotlight, then weigh, match, and finally 2 guys with broken noses hug like gays on the eyes of whole public  :lol:

I have serious concerns that our war with guys from DRZ immediately becomes a  XP war, which is dull and unattractive. Do not get me wrong, but we're friends with them for years, and will be hard to find in a "fighting spirit"  and XP itself is not enough. Call me a hater, but I think that an excess of love does not help the game, and after so many years of knowledge, it is not easy, because most of us like almost everyone. Tragedy  :mrgreen:
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2013, 02:36:59 am »
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I'll try to explain:

This war game is built on relationships and teamwork, and additionally requires motivation. You need to have an opponent and beat him on the battlefield. When you really like this guy its a bit harder treat him properly  :mrgreen:  Example from sport: boxing: before fight - severe faces with heavy look in the spotlight, then weigh, match, and finally 2 guys with broken noses hug like gays on the eyes of whole public  :lol:

I have serious concerns that our war with guys from DRZ immediately becomes a  XP war, which is dull and unattractive. Do not get me wrong, but we're friends with them for years, and will be hard to find in a "fighting spirit"  and XP itself is not enough. Call me a hater, but I think that an excess of love does not help the game, and after so many years of knowledge, it is not easy, because most of us like almost everyone. Tragedy  :mrgreen:

And that, there, is the problem, sadly.
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Re: Coalition-Druzhina battle agreement aka Gentelmens War
« Reply #164 on: December 16, 2013, 11:01:23 am »
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This is great news, finally the huge vampire draining the blood of our members has been slain.
I fucking hate strategus because of the negative impact is has on our community.

Too many of our members burn out because of strat, and then they quit crpg, or they keep joining those damned strat fights and depopulating the normal servers.
 When i fire up crpg in the evening to play and EU1 has 30players EU2 has 30players and EU3 has 100players, then you know its going to be a shit evening.

This is me hoping that i will see my friends come chill on TS and play just for fun, its been so long since we had more than 5-6 HRE online together.

And from my point of view, its really fun to see you UIF's raging about this, dont you fucking understand you brought this onto yourselves?
I know its a common tactic to bring friends to win a fight with superior numbers, but that shit doesnt work so well in a computer game, cause the underdog side will be tired of unfair situations and do something else.

Too many banners on a server just causes to opposition to find other things to do with their time, we all know this. But its different with crpg because there isnt any time investment, strat is a huge timesucking vampire bitch.

So come come to EU2, we havent had 100players there for sooooooo looooong.