Is that supposed to be an Estoc?

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoc

Estoc
weapon length: 107
weight: 1.7
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 107
thrust damage: 30 pierce
swing damage: 28 cut                        <--  <--  <-- EDIT: According to hotfix, cut damage  is 26 (site unchanged); My point stands.
slots: 2
Secondary Mode

I don't know what dev planned out the stats for this weapon but they apparently had no idea what the Estoc actually is.  For those you neglected to click the link, here it is again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoc

TLDR: The Estoc is an EDGELESS weapon specifically designed for piercing plate.  Effectively a two handed rondel dagger.

EDITED (Due to feedback)Suggested primary damage stats for the Estoc:

15-18 blunt swing damage
30-35 pierce

Alternative 2 directional (2h & polearm thrust) variant or secondary mode:
35-40 pierce.

What more can I say?

[Panos_]

Imo 40 pierce for a lolstab weapon is very low, better make it 100000 just to be sure that 2hand heroes will kill anything.

[Prpavi]

Estoc with 8ps requires real skill I kid you not. Real skill not to top the scoreboard 

how is flamtard btw?

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

Imo 40 pierce for a lolstab weapon is very low, better make it 100000 just to be sure that 2hand heroes will kill anything.

Please don't get me raging about lolstab, I sincerely hate it, but I am putting my desire for a historically accurate stats above my hatred of 2h exploits.

Also, my suggestion would give it the effective stats and function of an awlpike and polearm stab isn't to far below lolstab so deal with it.

[ArysOakheart]

Please don't get me raging about lolstab, I sincerely hate it, but I am putting my desire for a historically accurate stats above my hatred of 2h exploits.

If this game was realistic I could have some one on my own team shoot an arbalest through the gaps in my old round shield. Perfect cover.

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

If this game was realistic I could have some one on my own team shoot an arbalest through the gaps in my old round shield. Perfect cover.

Right, so a mod for a game half a decade old isn't the pinnacle of realism, therefore screw it all and start implementing anime swords.

Btw I think shooting through your low resistance shield is actually possible in a technical sense.

[XyNox]

http://forum.melee.org/announcements/0-3-1-1/

[//saxon]

Suggested primary damage stats for the Estoc:

15-18 blunt swing damage
35-40 pierce

Alternative 2 directional (2h & polearm thrust) variant or secondary mode:
40-45 pierce.

What more can I say?

are you taking the bloody piss you or what!

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

are you taking the bloody piss you or what!

Did you look at the link?  A weapon designed for the sole purpose of stabbing through stuff.  If you don't like my suggestion then make your own,  Otherwise don't be such a downvote one line smack talk dickhead.

[//saxon]

Otherwise don't be such a downvote one line smack talk dickhead.

oi, sort it lad, crying over a downvote?

its a game, not a real life simulation. Think about balance.

[Torben]

shoulde be some sort of 2h awlpike stat wise imo.  not more stab damage,  and not more blunt swing damage

[spiritus]

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[Teeth]

I think making it somewhat of an awlpike with 20b swings would be fair and make sense. 106 length 2h stab is nearly awlpike long already. Especially if you take into account the hangtime of the stab which allows you to walk it into people if you are somewhat fast. It has four directions instead of the awlpike's two, similar swing damage would be fine. With the current amount of armour 20b is probably better than 26c, while not being silly for a blunt edged weapon.

oi, sort it lad, crying over a downvote?

its a game, not a real life simulation. Think about balance.

Gawd, can you stop typing like a northern monkey. Fine that you talk that way but if you type like that I hear it when I read.

[MURDERTRON]

Give it knockdown, too.



On the stab.

[Clockworkkiller]

Give it knockdown, too.



On the stab.

Don't forget crushthrough and bonus against shields