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Words of truth
« on: November 20, 2013, 10:26:08 pm »
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 10:29:53 pm »
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 10:39:29 pm »
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 10:47:37 pm »
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I know pure agility archers have more wpf, but wasn't archery in general adjusted in some ways to compensate?

Can anyone give me the situation straight for how it's so much better now?

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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 10:53:09 pm »
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I know pure agility archers have more wpf, but wasn't archery in general adjusted in some ways to compensate?

Can anyone give me the situation straight for how it's so much better now?

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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 10:57:40 pm »
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 10:58:17 pm »
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Its the extra wpf and the RESPEC

The hardest thing about HA is persisting until you are a high level. Lots of people have been given the opportunity to skip the tough part and go directly to a an effective HA build.


I did it as well  185 wpf and 4HA makes you a pretty good shot.
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 11:51:37 pm »
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No clue, but on Eu1 we have shitloads of HA, they're everywhere...

That's not really an issue with archery though, I mean, it is, it's more viable now, but a single HA isn't OP. Rhade, "critical mass" of ranged, etc.
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 05:19:55 am »
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Can anyone give me the situation straight for how it's so much better now?
What owens said. The only class that can really say they actually got a damage buff, is throwing. It's true that archery gains a larger percentile increase to their raw damage from wpf than melee does. Fortunately, bow weapon damage is so much lower than melee weapon damage, that archers end up gaining the same 1-2 raw damage (unless they chose to get a higher amount of PD with the respec) that melee gets. I think it's about players assuming it's a larger buff to ranged, then choosing what to play based upon that assumption. Any time you increase the number of ranged on a server, you also increase each individual ranged player's effectiveness and this I believe, has a larger effect on balance than anything the patch changed.
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 12:46:12 pm »
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1 or 2 pierce damage is a nice buff, which gets better the lower your normal damage is (higher % bonus). Didn't ranged get an accuracy buff too, and people have tweaked their builds specifically for their current level, rather than tweaked as they hit their current target (high level guys will have got better ranged chars most likely)

Can't we discuss balance without it going to chamber of tears too? Ranged is off limits for discussion?
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2013, 10:24:10 am »
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Went mad cuz of all HA  :cry:

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To everyone, I have my reasons to say this, which are realism and balance of the game. I ever said that archery was inaccurate, but it was a year ago maybe, I don't know... Now, every ranged class (HA, HX, crossbowman, etc) are maxing WPF in archery/crossbow and ATHL regardless of being a man and fighting in melee. Kiting era is back now, whatever is the ranged class you play. Hybrid archers and STR archers fallen, the time of being a machine gun, mounted or not, has come.
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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2013, 10:49:11 am »
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Didn't ranged get an accuracy buff too, and people have tweaked their builds specifically for their current level, rather than tweaked as they hit their current target (high level guys will have got better ranged chars most likely)
Yeah, looks like that to me aswell, crossbows and archers seem to have increased accuracy.

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Re: Words of truth
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2013, 11:09:39 am »
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DaveUKR runs with some almost-plate armor, dunno what's its name, and arbalest, cause he has so much wpf that penalty for heavy armor is meaningless... I don't think that's what devs and community want; plate xbowers with pinpoint accuracy, like in bad old times :?
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