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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #165 on: November 26, 2013, 05:18:13 pm »
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You proclaim yourself to be an atheist, yet apparently subscribe to the scientific method. Find the contradiction!

I think saying there contradiction is going a bit too far, I suppose it comes down to semantics and what is your exact definition for atheism. I don't find the likelihood of existence of a god not any more or less likely then the existence of flying unicorns.  Yes, it is theoretically possible for these things to exist and we can't disprove them but if someone asks me if I believe in flying unicorns I just say "no" instead of "maybe" and continue with a lecture on how I find the existence of everything imaginable possible and I do the same with god.
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #166 on: November 26, 2013, 07:50:24 pm »
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The question dissappears if you ask a Bayesian about the existence of God. Rather, at what odds would he bet God exists or not.

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #167 on: November 27, 2013, 04:11:31 am »
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I think saying there contradiction is going a bit too far, I suppose it comes down to semantics and what is your exact definition for atheism. I don't find the likelihood of existence of a god not any more or less likely then the existence of flying unicorns.  Yes, it is theoretically possible for these things to exist and we can't disprove them but if someone asks me if I believe in flying unicorns I just say "no" instead of "maybe" and continue with a lecture on how I find the existence of everything imaginable possible and I do the same with god.
Flying unicorns are more likely to exist than god as described by the religions of the world.
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #168 on: November 27, 2013, 04:18:24 am »
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Religion is something for people who can't develop their own moral standards and need to deny their faults and blame them on a higher authority.

Actually it's the other way around, people don't like religion because most of the time it condemns their immoral ways.

Flying unicorns are more likely to exist than god as described by the religions of the world.

I'm just curious are you an atheist who studies evolution?

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #169 on: November 27, 2013, 04:31:12 am »
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Somehow the idea of a vast uncaring universe is slightly less disturbing to me than a crazy bearded sky daddy that watches people masturbate all the time.

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #170 on: November 27, 2013, 04:31:32 am »
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Actually it's the other way around, people don't like religion because most of the time it condemns their immoral ways.

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #171 on: November 27, 2013, 04:37:21 am »
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I'm just curious are you an atheist who studies evolution?
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #172 on: November 27, 2013, 04:53:58 am »
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Actually it's the other way around, people don't like religion because most of the time it condemns their immoral ways.

It's all good, just give a little money to the church and confess. Then the priest will absolve you of your sins. That is, if you can find him when he's not buttfucking the altar boy.

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #173 on: November 27, 2013, 05:03:16 am »
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That's one of the most common reasons religious people give for why people don't want to believe. "They don't want to be judged for their immoral ways! They want to keep living like they do!"

Fucking bullshit. I'd convert in a second if there really was a heaven where you'd live for all eternity after you die, and all would be great there. So would everyone else. As if anyone would trade 20 years of being "immoral" for 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (and keep adding zeroes until infinity) years of pure bliss in heaven. For living eternally.

It's a really bad argument.
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #174 on: November 27, 2013, 05:32:54 am »
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That's one of the most common reasons religious people give for why people don't want to believe. "They don't want to be judged for their immoral ways! They want to keep living like they do!"

Fucking bullshit. I'd convert in a second if there really was a heaven where you'd live for all eternity after you die, and all would be great there. So would everyone else. As if anyone would trade 20 years of being "immoral" for 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (and keep adding zeroes until infinity) years of pure bliss in heaven. For living eternally.

It's a really bad argument.

So what your saying is you'd give up your immoral ways if their was a heaven, but since there isn't you'll keep doing it. Argument is still valid since you are saying the reason you won't give up your immoral ways is because there is no heaven meaning you won't accept the religion because it's condemning your immoral ways and you want to keep them. I'll give you a little credit though it does seem a bit ridiculous, because who wants to be accountable for doing bad things.

It's all good, just give a little money to the church and confess. Then the priest will absolve you of your sins. That is, if you can find him when he's not buttfucking the altar boy.

That's Catholicism, what they're doing is not right and it's just another way for man to take advantage of other men. Like the Crusades and blah blah blah. No man can make another man's sins "go away" since the priest is just as much a sinner.

I believe in Christianity and I study Creationism but i'm no scholar on the subject.

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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #175 on: November 27, 2013, 06:33:48 am »
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So what your saying is you'd give up your immoral ways if their was a heaven, but since there isn't you'll keep doing it.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I have no immoral ways.

Argument is still valid since you are saying the reason you won't give up your immoral ways is because there is no heaven meaning you won't accept the religion because it's condemning your immoral ways and you want to keep them.
What? No. I just said that I'd rather live eternally in bliss than "keep my immoral ways." So no, not valid.

I'll give you a little credit though it does seem a bit ridiculous, because who wants to be accountable for doing bad things.
I would, if it meant living eternally. Sadly, no such thing as God, so nobody is accountable for bad things.
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #176 on: November 27, 2013, 06:36:56 am »
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #177 on: November 27, 2013, 07:22:04 am »
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I would, if it meant living eternally. Sadly, no such thing as God, so nobody is accountable for bad things.

If somebody steals your car and sells it, is that not a bad thing? Is he not accountable for stealing your car? I mean no one had to steal your car, they could've gotten their own but they wanted to steal it, their choice, not a random event. Why are you against people being accountable for their actions?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I have no immoral ways.

I just want you to clarify on this, are you saying you don't have any morals or what?


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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #178 on: November 27, 2013, 07:29:22 am »
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If somebody steals your car and sells it, is that not a bad thing? Is he not accountable for stealing your car? I mean no one had to steal your car, they could've gotten their own but they wanted to steal it, their choice, not a random event. Why are you against people being accountable for their actions?

I just want you to clarify on this, are you saying you don't have any morals or what?
He is accountable if he is caught and the laws say stealing cars is a no-no. He isn't accountable to an invisible sky daddy.

And no, it's what I said. I don't do anything that is immoral by my standards. Why would I? I decide my own morals, so I wouldn't do something that goes against them.
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Re: Thoughts on Religion and the State
« Reply #179 on: November 27, 2013, 11:40:28 am »
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يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى اللَّهُ إِلَّا أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ   

Transliteration   Yureedoona an yutfi-oo noora Allahi bi-afwahihim waya/ba Allahu illa an yutimma noorahu walaw kariha alkafiroona 

They want to extinguish God's [guiding] light with their utterances: but God will not allow [this to pass], for He has willed to spread His light in all its fullness, however hateful this may be to all who deny the truth.

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