Thoughts on Religion and the State

[Taser]

I'd much rather sound like that, than believe the way you do, in that case according to some Philosophs the only thing left for you to contemplate is whether or not to kill yourself rather than continue on like this. The only problem with believing the way I do, is that there are plenty others who would rather kill me for it, because it inherently disturbs their 'sky cake dodge' or their machine fantasies.

http://vimeo.com/24737728

So you have a problem with nihilism?

Anything substantial rather than "I wouldn't want to believe that because it sounds icky"?

Judging by your previous posts, I don't expect much but I'm willing to see what you got.

[Casimir]

Why would any sane person get involved in this discussion?

[Taser]

Why would any sane person get involved in this discussion?

Because to be sane is to be insane.

Besides, its fun. Its only the interwebs anyway.

[kinngrimm]

So you have a problem with nihilism?
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WHYYYYY did you bring this up, this shit did cost me at least one year of my life 
I never before felt that depression actually is the default base line.

Getting out of that was only possible by answering and reforming the question to

What is the meaning of life?

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reproduction (again mostly the biological perpsective here)

reformulating the question so it makes sense for yourself(me) would be

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What meaning/sense has my life? ... too many possible answers ...

Why would any sane person get involved in this discussion?

similar as my friendly nihilist(or who at least mentioned it) before said.
To understand the nature of something, if you fail with the direct & logical path, you look & play with the opposite.
If you want to feel alife, you just need a little confrontation with death ...

[Yazid]

So you have a problem with nihilism?

Anything substantial rather than "I wouldn't want to believe that because it sounds icky"?

Judging by your previous posts, I don't expect much but I'm willing to see what you got.

True nihilism is in no way the stereotype of 'nothing matters' it is more like Nietszche's 'superman'. Essentially that Christianity by putting Jesus on the pedestal and taking away the original message that was 'we're all sons of god and equal in front of god' diminished mans capacity to become something more than a potential sinner, it said 'Jesus is the son of the boss, and he has special priviledges'. Nietszches idea can be compared to Gautama Siddhartha's 'Buddha Nature' but the Buddha's path was a different one, where as Nietszche struggled with western society and how fucked up it was to the point of running up to a man who he saw beating a horse, crying and yelling 'poor horse'. The Buddha struggled only with desire and the desire to end it.. Mainly after he had eliminated his desire by allowing himself to desire.

I don't believe Nihilist views as icky, and therefore not suitable but as essentially wrong because it will leave that negative view or impact on the world which is neither life affirming and possibly not true. maybe its a branch of the tree of knowledge of who we are as a people.

The apples on a tree aren't likely to be Nihilists, because even though the apple will fall, rot and 'die' by our definition, it knows by its own nature that there will be many other apples just like it to replace it and therefore it had a fruitful existence. In the same way a tree 'apples', the earth 'peoples'. I guess if the apple were a pessimist it would probably rot before it fell on the ground.

I believe Jesus said something similar when he said to us 'Heaven is like a mustard seed, the smallest of seeds but the largest of trees'.

[Taser]

WHYYYYY did you bring this up, this shit did cost me at least one year of my life 
I never before felt that depression actually is the default base line.

Getting out of that was only possible by answering and reforming the question to

What is the meaning of life?

(click to show/hide)

reproduction (again mostly the biological perpsective here)

reformulating the question so it makes sense for yourself(me) would be

(click to show/hide)

What meaning/sense has my life? ... too many possible answers ...

I don't get how you answered the problem of nihilism for yourself by saying reproduction was the answer. You'd have to then say why reproduction matters, especially when the current understanding of how life goes is that it ends. In a long enough time frame, reproduction does not matter.

Not necessarily trying to pull you back to nihilism, I understand the depressing thoughts it gives. It really does make you wonder why you don't just blow your brains out especially since you can't give one. Not a logical one anyway.

[Taser]

True nihilism is in no way the stereotype of 'nothing matters' it is more like nietszche's 'superman' essentially that christianity by putting Jesus on the pedastal and taking away the original message that was 'we're all sons of god and equal in front of god' diminished mans capacity to become something more than a potential sinner. this can be compared to buddha's 'buddha nature' but the buddhas path was a different one, where as nietzsche struggled with western society and how fucked up it was, the buddha struggled only with desire and the desire to end it..

Never saw nietzsche's view of nihilism as the true form, simply his own twist on the idea.

I don't believe nihilist views as icky, but it's wrong because it will leave that negative view on the world which is neither life affirming and possibly not true. maybe its a branch of the tree of knowledge of who we are as a people.

The first bolded part and the second do not go together. Show why it might not be true (which is a definitely possibility, I won't lie) rather than saying the first bolded part and using that to fuel your second statement.

The apples on a tree aren't likely to be Nihilists, because even though the apple will fall, rot and 'die' by our definition, it knows by its own nature that there will be many other apples just like it to replace it and therefore it had a fruitful existence. In the same way a tree 'apples', the earth 'peoples'. I guess if the apple were a pessimist it would probably rot before it fell on the ground.

This is nonsensical and a completely emotional train of thought. I don't see how this matters at all.

I believe Jesus said something similar when he said Heaven is life a mustard seed, the smallest of seeds but the largest of trees.

Ok?

[kinngrimm]

I don't get how you answered the problem of nihilism for yourself by saying reproduction was the answer. You'd have to then say why reproduction matters, especially when the current understanding of how life goes is that it ends. In a long enough time frame, reproduction does not matter.

Not necessarily trying to pull you back to nihilism, I understand the depressing thoughts it gives. It really does make you wonder why you don't just blow your brains out especially since you can't give one. Not a logical one anyway.

I didn't, but i did by reformulating the question, as the question was not formulated in a helpfull way as it is with Nihilism. It is not helpful, so we leave it behind. It doesnt make it true or untrue, but i deny nehilsm the relevance to my thought process. Leaving the box behind.

[Clockworkkiller]

HOW MUCH WOOD, COULD A WOODCHUCK CHUCK, IF A WOODCHUCK COULD CHUCK WOOD?

[Xant]

The apples on a tree aren't likely to be Nihilists, because even though the apple will fall, rot and 'die' by our definition, it knows by its own nature that there will be many other apples just like it to replace it and therefore it had a fruitful existence. In the same way a tree 'apples', the earth 'peoples'. I guess if the apple were a pessimist it would probably rot before it fell on the ground.

Muhammad's posts in a nutshell. Completely nonsensical.

[kinngrimm]

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HOW MUCH WOOD, COULD A WOODCHUCK CHUCK, IF A WOODCHUCK COULD CHUCK WOOD?

simple, as many as he could

[Taser]

I didn't, but i did by reformulating the question, as the question was not formulated in a helpfull way as it is with Nihilism. It is not helpful, so we leave it behind. It doesnt make it true or untrue, but i deny nehilsm the relevance to my thought process. Leaving the box behind.

Ever read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race?

I imagine you might have but Ligotti does a good job of why this only circumvents the issue and why we must do this if we didn't want to mass suicide.

But I don't blame you. Once you admit nihilism, you have to distract yourself from it or you go mad and/or commit suicide. So basically nihilism is ignored once one becomes a nihilist or is embraced in suicide.

All nihilists do one or the other. Most do what you and I do, ignore it.

[Xant]

Ever read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race?

I imagine you might have but Ligotti does a good job of why this only circumvents the issue and why we must do this if we didn't want to mass suicide.

But I don't blame you. Once you admit nihilism, you have to distract yourself from it or you go mad and/or commit suicide. So basically nihilism is ignored once one becomes a nihilist or is embraced in suicide.

All nihilists do one or the other. Most do what you and I do, ignore it.

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on that. Why do you think one has to distract oneself from nihilism or you go mad/commit suicide?

[Yazid]

How can you understand when all you see is in black and white Haha. I tried to make myself clear and you see contradictions in the way I speak and think.
If you look up at the heavens there are no contradictions or the way the waves in the ocean break on the shore there won't be a single 'aesthetic break' from that.

How could I possibly contradict myself?
A Buddha means one who has awakened, one who has awakened is one who opens his eyes,
so if you don't at least attempt to do that, how will you understand me, or else you'll go on understanding nothing other than life means to sleep eat drink and have sex, and everything you will do in this life your interests your job will simply be a guise in order for you to do more of that.

The difference between me and you is that you see yourself as symptom of this Universe, a collection of atoms floating somewhere in space that just so happened to have the right amount of water. I see myself as an extension of this Universe, and the big bang as a whole, if the proper distances between this planet and the sun and the star holding our sun and our galaxy's center's weren't in perfect harmony, how could we have any of this? If it makes you anxious or sad that we live in this cold uncaring universe you may reflect that upon other human beings.

This is the source of my beliefs, you may call me a Taoist, supporter of Lao Tzu's worldview or a person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJCSJTSTkH8

I'm not sure what yours is.

[Xant]

I think I'll settle for calling you delusional.