The price of Arabian Cavalry Sword

[Osakasa]

I know devs are working on new update but i hope they will reconsider the price of ACS also.
There is no exact formula how to determine 1h sword price however the price of Arabian Cavalry Sword can be evaluated if Long Arming Sword is taken as a reference sword.

Long Arming Sword -> Knightly Arming Sword = +1c +2236 gold
So one cut damage is worth 2236 gold

Long Arming Sword -> Nordic Champion's Sword = +2c -3p +2577 gold
Pierce damage can be solved now
-3p = +2577 gold -2c
   p = -(+2577 -2*2236)/3 = 631,66 gold

Weight, lenght and speed are same in LAS, KAS and NCS (0.1kg difference). How much speed is worth gold is difficulty to evaluate with LAS because there no more 1h swords which have same lenght and mass therefore Liuyedao and Niuweidao are taken in comparisson.

Liuyedoa -> Niuweidao = +1c -1spd +2085 gold
so 1 speed is worth = 2236 gold - 2085 gold = 151 gold

The price of ACS can be evaluated now

Long Arming Sword -> Arabian Cavalry Sword = +3c -5p -2spd
Price_ACS = Price_LAS +3c -5p -2spd
              = 6708 +3*(2236) -5*(631,66) -2*(151)
              = 9955,7 gold

The price of ACS should be near 10k gold rather than 6900 gold as it is now. I also want to remind you that ACS is 3cm longer than LAS and it is heavier by 0.6kg so it suffers less stunblock.

What i suggest for ACS:
1. Lower the price but drop the cut damage by 2 (9955,7 - 2*2236 = 5483,7)
2. Keep the price as it is but drop the cut damage by 1 and the speed by 2 (9955,7 - 2236 -2*151 = 7417,7)
3. Keep the stats as they are but set the price to somewhere 10000 gold.

I don't care which choise devs will favor as long they do something about this unfair price because 1h cav is known to be very effective class, mostly because the high speed bonus in swing damage. And there is always the bumpslash when victims can do nothing but welcome the incoming hit and hope it won't kill. Currently 1h cavs can have the longest 1h sword with a high cut damage (3rd best cut damage in all 1h swords. swords not axes) and with low upkeep cost. ACS is now worth 10k gold which has upkeep cost of 4,8% when all others have 7% (483/9955*100 = 4,8%)

Tell me your opinions and please keep the discussion in 1h swords. Don't compare 1h swords to Longsword, Alwpike or Sumpter.
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Osa/kasa/la

[Phew]

I've used 1h for 12 gens, and I've never even considered price one iota in my weapon selection. They are all cheap enough to use and still make money in combination with medium armor. Some of the best 1h are cheap (Liuyedao, Nordic Short War Sword, Italian Falchion, etc), and the most expensive 1h have some serious drawbacks (poor cut dmg on LEE, slow Spathion and Paramerion, poor reach on Steel Pick/warhammer, etc). No one who uses the Arabian Cavalry would stop using it if it was more expensive.

What does bother me are all the 1h weapons that are totally inferior to another 1h weapon, only slightly cheaper. I'm not talking about the peasant weapons, as those have a purpose. I'm talking about weapons that are "full price" but are totally outclassed by a slightly more expensive weapon (Arabian Arming Sword, Arming Sword, and Long Arming Sword). These weapons are virtually nonexistent on the battlefield, which is a shame because they have nice models and were historically quite common. This also proves that no one really cares about 1h prices, or these weapons might actually be used.

[Osakasa]

I strongly believe you that experienced players don't care whether the upkeep for sword is 200 gold or 500 gold higher. They will use exactly the weapon which feels "best" for their use. You are right about Arabian Arming Sword, Arming Sword and Long Arming Sword, they are rarely seen on battlefield. However i dare to claim there is a large variety of different 1h weapons on battlefield, used by foot infantry because there are no two or even four supreme weapons which beat all other weapons. This is a damn good thing and i'm sure all players confirm this.

1h cav is a different thing though. What i tried to, maybe poorly, demonstrate there is a supreme weapon for 1h cav. I can easily name several ACS users on horseback but only few all other weapons users. I think this is because as a 1h cav you need reach for your sword, this is a pretty damn obvious and the longest 1h sword is ACS. ACS is not only rewarded with the longest reach but also top high swing damage. All other "cav swords" for their range would be LAS, KAS, NCS, Spathion, Paramerion and few 100cm long weapons. All those weapons have shorter reach and make less swing damage than ACS. On horseback, stab is used so randomly that even Elite Scimitar could fit as a 1h cav sword but it is shorter and makes less damage than ACS. Even Strategus proves that when there is billiontzilliontrillion much money so all clans wear top plated armour and mostly +3 ACS is only 1h cav sword offered.

So there isn't really a reason to use any other weapon on horseback than ACS. If there is, please tell me. And tell me also why the most common 1h cav sword is ACS if there is a reason to use something else. What i really looking for is a rival 1h sword against ACS on horseback. New 1h weapons hardly ever appear with new patch so only choise what is left, is try to find balance with existing weapons. Balance with upkeep cost was a bad choise as Phew kindly proved, thanks. As i said above, there is no supreme weapon for 1h foot infantry which is a good thing but unfortunately there is a supreme weapon for 1h cav. And i really don't see a point for that.