World War 2 written by Winners?

[Xant]

so what your trying to say xant (apart from trolling) is that if a historian publishes a paper with very very few sources or evidence and there being lots of sources and evidence to the contrary that they are committing academic suicide not because their theory may be heavily flawed but because of the way the academic world works? Was the scale of the holocaust exaggerated in an attempt to gain more sympathy for an Israeli state? Possibly, if the guy provides some kind of evidence and rational reasoning then it wont be academic suicide.

Nope, right now it'll be academic suicide no matter what. Too sensitive a subject, won't matter what you actually say. Same way you'll get called a Nazi if you make anti-immigrant statements. The history of academics is full of subjects that were too sensitive for their time and suppressed, only to be found correct later on. Darwinism and sociobiology were curse words for a long time because of the eugenic programs and social Darwinism.

[Molly]

Has Xant not always been like this or has he just been posting a lot more? I am trying to figure out why it took me 3 years to notice what an insufferable cunt he is.

[Xant]

Xant is right.

[NuberT]

Examples? I can assure you that the historiography of The Second World War in total won't change much. For sure there are academic debates about certain aspects of it (like with every other historical object), especially about structures, intentions or scope of action, but the history of events (Ereignisgeschichte) is very well explored. It has nothing to do with the "lack of balls" of respectable historians. All these conspiracy theories are just not based on reliable sources. They are only politically motivated opinions (mostly comming from people who are amateurs and not historians) which have nothing to do with academic research.

I obviously can't give you any examples, because I don't know if any of the various revisionist theories are true or not. But history in written/influenced by the victor and it takes a long time for it to be corrected, as you can see on the discussed example about the beginning of WW1, which was a historical fact for decades as well..

There is btw a reason alternate theories often come from amateurs. People who studied something for years usually don't question it, like an engineer will most likely never question that the perpetum mobile cannot work in reality.

[Molly]

Xant knows the academic world but fucks up a simple forum quote... Oh boy... you're so full of it... 

[Erzengel]

Xant knows the academic world but fucks up a simple forum quote... Oh boy... you're so full of it... 

Well, if the authors of the books which Xant has read about the Second World War have the same quotation "techniques" like him, we don't need to be surprised why he really thinks that the Holocaust didn't happen.

[Xant]

Xant knows the academic world but fucks up a simple forum quote... Oh boy... you're so full of it... 

Benkei, m'boi, first of all, the academic world has nothing to do with forum quotes. Second, which quote did I fuck up?

[Molly]

Benkei, m'boi, first of all, the academic world has nothing to do with forum quotes. Second, which quote did I fuck up?

[...] If you're interested in examples, search for them yourself.

There you go, a proper answer.

[Xant]

There you go, a proper answer.

I was just going to help you try and make an insult that isn't based on a non sequitur, but alright.

[Paul]

What an insufferable xant.

[Xant]

If I wanted to kill myself I'd climb to your ego and jump to your IQ

[Muunilinst]

Guys cmon stay objective everyone his opinion, first i dont want to say einstein was a good person, but he was as cruel and stupid and however u want to call it as other politicians at that time . Stalin , ithink you all know why, Churchill, committed mass murdering in india , and bombed civilian citys in germany where was officially no more resistance and or army . andthis is official. A few years before the war the us viceminister was a member of the KKK. And einstein was a murderer too , i dont want to defend him here, i rather want to make people think about it more. i dont want to make you beleive my version, everyone should make up his own, and if you believe the media its ok too.

Thank you for the talk guys, its good too see.

Oh and im watching this video atm. im not sure if its 100% right in terms f facts. maybe someone knows it allrdy?

Edit : About the first Video, i never said i completely agree with what he said, i just wanted to hear your opiniion and this thread is more about the general fact that history is written by winners ;)

[Xant]

Stormfront has some pretty interesting articles about it.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

You guys might not want to use a radical white supremacist group as a source.

Just sayin'.

[Xant]

Why not?