Europeans they dont have feels

[Kafein]

Lol i chuckled zlisch good thread

I loved it when Wayyyne posted his vision of Dutch history with an image.

The "euros" and "Americans" distinction is stupid here. It's definitely not all Europeans getting butthurt over Wayne's little sentence, only a few retarded ones.

This really. Go search this thread and compare the nicknames, zlisch.

Also I am highly offended by your cultural insensitivity making generalisations over all of europe.

[AntiBlitz]

So releasing a video where there's a joke about 9/11 is comparable with walking up to accident victims and making jokes about car crashes... ?

That would probably not go to well, because you can't expect people to show maturity about such things. That "it's offensive D:" is meaningless. Everything is offensive to at least someone.

Being angered over 9/11 jokes is an american thing, and even in the US not that many people will take offense.

This is where you are wrong.

Sure you may do that but in a free society nothing and nobody will actually forbid you to make jokes just because it's offensive to someone.

Right yes making general statements about car crashes, or rape, or whatever is expected, alienating a whole culture with massacre jokes is not.  They quite clearly knew it was going to be offensive, hell even Lewis, said wow, the shock in his voice, with him attempting to downplay it, and play it off.  He knew what was coming, and im sure he even had words with Simon even if afterwards about it.

yes its an American thing, and yes older people are offended by it and it makes it worse that a foreigner can make jokes from the outside in, that in itself is more offensive, the only people you dont see offended by these sorts of things are literally the mass of people now on the internet, because they at the time were like 4y/o, of course they have no emotional attachment to it, they cant even remember wth was going on at 4y/o.  I however do, and it changed the course of my life because of the events, based on the career path i chose.  So yes im attached to it, and im sure alot of other people are quite attached to it as well, you just dont hear about it, since the majority of people on the internet are much younger.

I'm wrong lol okay, you must live in America and would know these things, so somehow these werent offensive, yet they didnt take it down due to community backlash?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/att-911-tweet_n_3907977.html

Nope doesnt seem like people are "over it" to me.......

yes free society or not, its respect and courtesy, and its just shit you dont say, out of those things, is all of Europe just babbling assholes or something?  I mean come on, or is it just this community......

Aww Germany, why you not get over it yet, only 70years ago, you werent even born, why you care?  Hmm, dont be mad, they only threw him out of the fucking building......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420733/Russell-Brand-Hugo-Boss-GQ-Award-jibe-wasnt-intended--destroy-them.html

[Tibe]

From now on Blitz is courtesypolicing the whole community. Watch your ass! 

I kinda think Russel wanted to be kicked out of the building. He was probably pissed at something.

[Xant]

You didn't answer antiblitz, why do you get offended? Serious question. If it doesn't help in any way, why? Is it just something you can't suppress no matter how much you try?

[Angantyr]

Could posters please avoid comparing the terror bombing of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of civilian Japanese (Japan at the time on the brink of collapse, mass-starvation, no military industry left, no air force whatsoever) followed by decades of death, sickness and deformity (to this day), to the terrorist attack killing around three thousand civilian Americans? Yes, both are wrong and both are meaningless but at least where quantity is concerned they are in two completely different leagues.

Do not really have an opinion on the OP as I'm pretty black-humoured and thick-skinned myself, but I don't envy anyone who is so sensitive in the modern world, especially not on the internet.

Though why it is mostly people who are not themselves victims or even friends of victims that takes the greatest offense is a pretty interesting social mechanism, a bit like so-called 'third generation Holocaust survivors'.

I also understand why US foreign policy before, during and after the war does not exactly manufacture sympathy for the nation as a whole. Not saying it is right or wrong but that is naturally the way the world turns. Let us not forget how sensitive and supportive European nations were just following the fall of the Twin Towers (honestly moments of silence were held several times a day following the attack, no matter where you went, even friday night in the club, despite hundreds of thousands of people dying horribly every second elsewhere), the following illegal warfare against all international conventions, civilian bombings, torture, chemical weapons, Bush doctrine, American claim to 'exceptionalism' & policy of hegemony on the World stage etc. etc. while not exactly surprising to anyone with a historical conscience, but perhaps new to many young people who weren't alive during the Vietnam War, also didn't exactly garner goodwill among US allies.

Not that these things matter in the actual case of being insensitive about other people's tragedies, but we humans often use humour to soften the sting, or to make something (whatever) out of something meaningless.

[AntiBlitz]

You didn't answer antiblitz, why do you get offended? Serious question. If it doesn't help in any way, why? Is it just something you can't suppress no matter how much you try?

it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people.  I cant truly explain it to you, maybe its brainwashing from political propoganda, or training, but either way, its a part of me that i dont want offended.  Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny.  Either way, i dont like it, and id rather it not be said to people who have really lost people on that day.

Ask a black guy why you cant call him the N word, what will he tell you?

Ask Germans why you cant refer to them as N azis, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Russia why they decided to suppress foreign games, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Koreans if they can be referred to as "Gooks".

  To these people these things are offensive, why offend them, especially out of the blue, nobody expected what he said to come.  If i wanted to watch 9/11 jokes i would have, but i didnt, i wanted to watch the antics of two inept brits play minecraft or whatever.

Even in that Wayyne post, it offended those Dutch folks, though everyone else couldnt see how it was offensive, the first thought on every trolls mind was to tell them to suck it up, or whatever other nonsense they could come up with, and its the same thing with this.  I was just hoping for views that werent so trollish similar to Tennenoth, but instead like i said earlier, its one liners, and pointless "suck it up" chatter because they werent offended by it and never will be.

I totally understand and agree with parts of Angantyr's post, but softening the sting is something thats done by time, lots of time.  Is it okay to throw a revolutionary war joke, or war of 1812 joke? why? because the folks who lived during that time that felt that was apart of them no longer exist, and the resonance of pain caused by making this black humor isnt felt to the same degree.  (that A was broken away for you Kafein)A lot of people remember those events, and they are surreal, and making jokes about them can be painful, its like making pearl harbor jokes, i myself dont care, because i dont have an emotional attachment to it, however maybe my grandfather or great grandfather might not find those jokes so funny.  Quite clearly Hugo Boss didnt find Russel Brand's jokes very funny, and those were in the making from 70 years ago, the guy was thrown out of the place, in London. 

I think the only reason the comparisons were made was not so much to compare the travesty of the events but to show that it wouldnt be humorous to the people who took place in those events, especially when you yourself didnt take place in the event, and are casting jokes from the outside, in.

[Tibe]

it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people.  I cant truly explain it to you, maybe its brainwashing from political propoganda, or training, but either way, its a part of me that i dont want offended.  Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny.  Either way, i dont like it, and id rather it not be said to people who have really lost people on that day.

Fair enough, but in that case dont you think it might have been a mistake making this thread in the first place? I mean now people know how to get under your skin and this community is pretty damn nice, by internetstandards.

[Kafein]

I'm wrong lol okay, you must live in America and would know these things, so somehow these werent offensive, yet they didnt take it down due to community backlash?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/att-911-tweet_n_3907977.html

Nope doesnt seem like people are "over it" to me.......

You are wrong when you feel entitled to some kind of justice because you got offended by someone or something. Getting offended doesn't give you a right to anything.

yes free society or not, its respect and courtesy, and its just shit you dont say, out of those things, is all of Europe just babbling assholes or something?  I mean come on, or is it just this community......

Hey, we invented rationalism, not you guys

Aww Germany, why you not get over it yet, only 70years ago, you werent even born, why you care?  Hmm, dont be mad, they only threw him out of the fucking building......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420733/Russell-Brand-Hugo-Boss-GQ-Award-jibe-wasnt-intended--destroy-them.html

If you had read it, you would know that they threw him out, out of fear his jokes would hurt the company, not because they were offended by his jokes. PR professionals very well know some people would go out of their way to boycott Hugo Boss upon learning it like hundreds of successful companies cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime.

[AntiBlitz]

You are wrong when you feel entitled to some kind of justice because you got offended by someone or something. Getting offended doesn't give you a right to anything.

Hey, we invented rationalism, not you guys

If you had read it, you would know that they threw him out, out of fear his jokes would hurt the company, not because they were offended by his jokes. PR professionals very well know some people would go out of their way to boycott Hugo Boss upon learning it like hundreds of successful companies cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime.

you are right it doesnt, however when you are a business, and i being the person purchasing said goods, i have a right to make an absolute bitchfest at anything related, why because if everyone else feels the same way, then you are left with poor sales and in turn, less money---------Yogscast isnt just two dudes in a basement making youtube videos anymore, its a business, and one that maybe shouldnt be throwing out comments like that in its infancy, when the only thing they have to sell, is views, and the only thing to lose is everything because of branding.

Same thing as Russel Brand being thrown out, fear they would harm the company, because they were, what word? OFFENSIVE, making those comments possibly could have done damage, the same way the Yogscast could quite possibly do to themselves if this actually caught wind and wanted to be spread through the media sources.

Edit: just to add this in lol, kind of funny, though it is their forums, they deleted the latest thread about someone questioning the incident.

http://forums.yogscast.com/showthread.php?128598-Latest-Garry-s-Mod-Vid

[Angantyr]

@Blitz, I'm sure nearly everyone of us has certain points on certain issues that will trigger similar, not necessarily rational, responses like the ones you mention, even if not personally engaged. We are only (flock) animals after all.

This reminds me of the whole ol' free speech moral discussion; freedom under responsibility or freedom to say whatever - as old as civil rights themselves.

[Kafein]

it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people.  I cant truly explain it to you, maybe its brainwashing from political propoganda, or training, but either way, its a part of me that i dont want offended.  Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny.  Either way, i dont like it, and id rather it not be said to people who have really lost people on that day.

Ask a black guy why you cant call him the N word, what will he tell you?

Ask Germans why you cant refer to them as N azis, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Russia why they decided to suppress foreign games, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Koreans if they can be referred to as "Gooks".

  To these people these things are offensive, why offend them, especially out of the blue, nobody expected what he said to come.  If i wanted to watch 9/11 jokes i would have, but i didnt, i wanted to watch the antics of two inept brits play minecraft or whatever.

Even in that Wayyne post, it offended those Dutch folks, though everyone else couldnt see how it was offensive, the first thought on every trolls mind was to tell them to suck it up, or whatever other nonsense they could come up with, and its the same thing with this.  I was just hoping for views that werent so trollish similar to Tennenoth, but instead like i said earlier, its one liners, and pointless "suck it up" chatter because they werent offended by it and never will be.

I totally understand and agree with parts of Angantyr's post, but softening the sting is something thats done by time, lots of time.  Is it okay to throw a revolutionary war joke, or war of 1812 joke? why? because the folks who lived during that time that felt that was apart of them no longer exist, and the resonance of pain caused by making this black humor isnt felt to the same degree.  (that A was broken away for you Kafein)A lot of people remember those events, and they are surreal, and making jokes about them can be painful, its like making pearl harbor jokes, i myself dont care, because i dont have an emotional attachment to it, however maybe my grandfather or great grandfather might not find those jokes so funny.  Quite clearly Hugo Boss didnt find Russel Brand's jokes very funny, and those were in the making from 70 years ago, the guy was thrown out of the place, in London. 

I think the only reason the comparisons were made was not so much to compare the travesty of the events but to show that it wouldnt be humorous to the people who took place in those events, especially when you yourself didnt take place in the event, and are casting jokes from the outside, in.

Antiblitz, you are being openly racist now, and you don't even seem to realise. Let me explain why :

it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people.

As I see it, were it you and a couple thousand chinese being affected, you wouldn't care about the chinese, because they are not "your people" obviously.

Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny.

"Because some black people might hear me I will not use the N word". That's basically fear of the unknown and a lack of understanding trying to hide behind simplistic principles to show everyone you are not racist, yet it doesn't matter when there aren't any black people around because only them will be offended by the N word ?

Ask a black guy why you cant call him the N word, what will he tell you?

Ask Germans why you cant refer to them as N azis, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Russia why they decided to suppress foreign games, what do you think they will tell you?

Ask Koreans if they can be referred to as "Gooks".

This is the same thing but worse. It seems that to you all "aliens" are really stupid and will react badly if you use certain words because reasons you don't really care about.

To these people these things are offensive

Ask yourself why is it offensive to them and not everyone. Why should you downright discriminate people and change your discourse based on your audience in a completely racist way ?

[Kafein]

you are right it doesnt, however when you are a business, and i being the person purchasing said goods, i have a right to make an absolute bitchfest at anything related, why because if everyone else feels the same way, then you are left with poor sales and in turn, less money---------Yogscast isnt just two dudes in a basement making youtube videos anymore, its a business, and one that maybe shouldnt be throwing out comments like that in its infancy, when the only thing they have to sell, is views, and the only thing to lose is everything because of branding.

Do whatever you want, vote against Hugo Boss with your dollars because they cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime if you want, that's no issue.

Same thing as Russel Brand being thrown out, fear they would harm the company, because they were, what word? OFFENSIVE

To who ?

, making those comments possibly could have done damage, the same way the Yogscast could quite possibly do to themselves if this actually caught wind and wanted to be spread through the media sources.

Edit: just to add this in lol, kind of funny, though it is their forums, they deleted the latest thread about someone questioning the incident.

http://forums.yogscast.com/showthread.php?128598-Latest-Garry-s-Mod-Vid

If anything, this catching wind would increase their views as more people would come to learn about a channel they would otherwise not have discovered.


Edit : sorry about the double-posting, this editing mess gets cumbersome

[AntiBlitz]

Antiblitz, you are being openly racist now, and you don't even seem to realise. Let me explain why :


As I see it, were it you and a couple thousand chinese being affected, you wouldn't care about the chinese, because they are not "your people" obviously.

"Because some black people might hear me I will not use the N word". That's basically fear of the unknown and a lack of understanding trying to hide behind simplistic principles to show everyone you are not racist, yet it doesn't matter when there aren't any black people around because only them will be offended by the N word ?

This is the same thing but worse. It seems that to you all "aliens" are really stupid and will react badly if you use certain words because reasons you don't really care about.

Ask yourself why is it offensive to them and not everyone. Why should you downright discriminate people and change your discourse based on your audience in a completely racist way ?

im being openly racist? what? lol, doesnt make any sense.  Yes knowing that a portion of my viewing audience is black, i myself would not start shouting the N word, makes perfect sense, i dont get how you cant see that, how is this some sort of altered view?  Idk where you are going with all this really, i dont really know how to argue with this......

Its not that i fear using it, hell i just shouted it out loud in my house and down the street, but the fact that your known target audience consists of these people, i would not offend them, I still am lost as to how this is a fucked up view lol.

Do whatever you want, vote against Hugo Boss with your dollars because they cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime if you want, that's no issue.

To who ?

If anything, this catching wind would increase their views as more people would come to learn about a channel they would otherwise not have discovered.

idk do you want me to fly to Europe and pick out offended people, clearly someone must find it somewhat offensive, or else it would have not been an issue

Yes negative publicity is publicity none the less, but in the end, when everyones done viewing, they make decisions on how they view the person/group, and it doesnt make them famous, it makes them infamous, and infamy leads to poor business.

[Kafein]

im being openly racist? what? lol, doesnt make any sense.  Yes knowing that a portion of my viewing audience is black, i myself would not start shouting the N word, makes perfect sense, i dont get how you cant see that, how is this some sort of altered view?  Idk where you are going with all this really, i dont really know how to argue with this......

Its not that i fear using it, hell i just shouted it out loud in my house and down the street, but the fact that your known target audience consists of these people, i would not offend them, I still am lost as to how this is a fucked up view lol.

It is a fucked up view because you think saying "friend" to black people is offensive because you are white (I assume) and they are black. If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

idk do you want me to fly to Europe and pick out offended people, clearly someone must find it somewhat offensive, or else it would have not been an issue

Yes negative publicity is publicity none the less, but in the end, when everyones done viewing, they make decisions on how they view the person/group, and it doesnt make them famous, it makes them infamous, and infamy leads to poor business.

Exactly, Hugo Boss people threw him out by fear it would hurt the company because some random people would be offended, not because they were offended themselves. They reacted like a business taking into account the irrationality of people, and the power of those people to affect their sales, not because it was immoral to make those jokes or because they wanted to punish the comedian.

[Xant]

I'm not sure what this is about anymore. Antiblitz, people get offended. This is known by all. They are stupid to get offended, however, and everything will offend someone. Some people are straight out professional getting-offended-ers. So what or who dictates which things should be censored? The amount of people getting offended? Quantity over quality thinking? If so, why? If not, why? It's the same discussion as with religions. Pure bullshit political correctness, nothing to do with what is 'right'.

Setting all that aside, intent is what should be the most important factor, not the words themselves. If someone calls their friend a friend, their tone and intent are important, not the word itself. Same with everything else. Clearly Yogscast's intent here was not to try and insult Americans, so if you get offended over what they said... you need to do some thinking and become a better human being.