Call of Duty Ghosts (Yes i'm getting it)

[Xant]

Every city is full of civilians. But they choose their targets, it's not random bombings. At least it wasn't in case of Belgrade in 1999. Which is something I witnessed personally, don't need any links for that.

Most Yugoslavians had to survive just one war and that was Civil War that was fought mainly in Bosnia and Croatia. I was unlucky to be born in Bosnia, survive that war then go to Serbia to have to deal with bombings four years after last war finished.

Despite the fact that NATO wasn't bombing randomly, many innocent civilians died. For example, technical staff of national television. They weren't informed by the government that NATO will bomb the building and they died. Of course, directors and other scum evacuated themselves before that happened but those people who do basic jobs and have nothing to do with actual propaganda died. Just like always, in wars die more innocent souls than those responsible for the whole mess.

Way bigger issue than bombing with ballistic projectiles was usage of forbidden weaponry, mainly bullets with depleted uranium and cassette bombs. Depleted uranium poisoned ground and just five years after the war, number of cancer patients massively increased in affected areas. Cassette bombs are still scattered somewhere in Kosovo area, thankfully that's very far from the place I live.

Obviously there'll be collateral damage, always, no matter what is done. Civilians die when cities are bombed, but like you say, it isn't random and civilian casualties are avoided as much as possible.

[Nightmare798]

You realize that link does not support your claim of indiscriminate bombing of populated cities at all?

Your opinion is based on nothing but your own retarded, childlike fantasies about how war is fought.

It does and you would see it, were you not stupid enough not to read it.

If you spent less time being a dickhead and more on research on this stuff, you would know that bombing is not always the way to go, you fucking military genius.

Bombing should be used in areas with high concentrations of hostile forces, not wherever you please.

I know that civilian losses are unavoidable, but they should strive to keep them as low as possible.

[Xant]

It does and you would see it, were you not stupid enough not to read it.

If you spent less time being a dickhead and more on research on this stuff, you would know that bombing is not always the way to go, you fucking military genius.

Bombing should be used in areas with high concentrations of hostile forces, not wherever you please.

I know that civilian losses are unavoidable, but they should strive to keep them as low as possible.

Sorry, IQ >80 only in this thread.

[Christo]

Them not giving a fuck is what saddens me.

Look, they can use whatever the tactics they want, but then they sholdnt brag about how uber awesome armed forces they have, when they do nothing but zipping around in bombers.

I think my irony wasn't obvious enough.

Oh well.

The thing is that civilians die, sadly yes. But they are not aiming for them like you say they do.

[Nightmare798]

Sorry, IQ >80 only in this thread.

Then what the fuck are you still doing here?

[Leshma]

Obviously there'll be collateral damage, always, no matter what is done. Civilians die when cities are bombed, but like you say, it isn't random and civilian casualties are avoided as much as possible.

Well, I think it's not random because that's foolish. Bombs cost money and there's centuries old military doctrine which says that you should first weaken your enemy by striking his vital points. Random bombing is something that only a lunatic would do. But being "careful" does not justify bombings of any kind. I hope you don't truly believe that bombing of a foreign country is a valid way of dealing with problems that country is having.

[Nightmare798]

I think my irony wasn't obvious enough.

Oh well.

The thing is that civilians die, sadly yes. But they are not aiming for them like you say they do.

Well of course they dont aim at them, but there are surely other ways to fight and win an armed conflict, than indiscriminate bombing.

[Xant]

Then what the fuck are you still doing here?

Wow, nobody saw that coming!!!!!!

Well of course they dont aim at them, but there are surely other ways to fight and win an armed conflict, than indiscriminate bombing.

Look up the word "indiscriminate" in the dictionary.

[Tibe]

Then what the fuck are you still doing here?

Dude give it a rest. As much as I hate to admit it, he won atleast 3 pages ago.

[Christo]

Well of course they dont aim at them, but there are surely other ways to fight and win an armed conflict, than indiscriminate bombing.

Yeah but there is no point if you can just fly over with planes and bomb critical areas, why would you waste all the manpower, logistics and time?

[Bjord]

Dude give it a rest. As much as I hate to admit it, he won atleast 3 pages ago.

Nah, it was over the moment his white trash mother was penetrated by his white trash father. Stupidity runs in the genes.

[Kafein]

the fact that Kafeins post was about Kickstarter and other sililar indie projects happening maily on PC and more the fact that we are discussing Call of Duty and everybody massively shitting on it, which is for the last 5 years at least a console shooter, they sell only 5% of every CoD for the PC, the rest goes to Xbox (over 50%) and PS3, small percentage for Wii.

I'm sorry if I misuderstood Kafeins and other posts but I kinda got the f console vibe from the topic. My rant still stands for the people that do think that way 

I own several recent consoles and appreciate them for the good games I have on them. However, I would prefer playing those on my PC (those that aren't wii stuff anyway). I value indie titles and originality for their intrinsic qualities, not because they are on PC. It just so happens that the indie scene is struggling on consoles because you can't release a game on a closed system without depending on the makers of that system. The only real reason I don't have much sympathy towards consoles is because good multi platform games are much too often made primarily for consoles and the PC ports are completely fucked up. Just how often did you install a recent multiplatform game and were not instantly put off by mouse acceleration or another random defect ?

[Patoson]

You aren't referring to a video game, but you speak with video game mentality. The US Marines are indeed very well trained and equipped. But perhaps you could show me where the US has bombed a city full of civilians?

As to your last sentence, really? Who died and gave you the authority to tell the US how to fight a war?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, in more recent wars invasions, a tank firing on a house and killing two reporters, one Spanish and the other Polish.

[Kafein]

I forgot to post my previous message after writing it and this thread went berserk in the meantime.

[Xant]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, in more recent wars invasions, a tank firing on a house and killing two reporters, one Spanish and the other Polish.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended a war that would've resulted in more casualties if fought the conventional way. It's hilariously absurd that you should compare that with a tank firing on a house and killing two people.