What do you think counters ranged?

[Molly]

As an archer my self:

Other ranged
Shielders
and Sneaking up on me (mostly ninja/agi)

Also 2 or more cav works very effective.

Sneaking up is only valid if there is a small amount of ranged. With the quadrillionz of archer lately, you will always be spotted and then shot to pieces. Not valid any more.

[Grumpy_Nic]

As xbower I think the following things counter me:

- Archers
- Xbowers
- HA
- HX
- Cav (1 is enough if he doesnt ride away anymore, the more the harder)
- all kinds of Infantry that spotted me and continues to follow when I bolt (the heavier the Armour the easier it is to escape ofc)
- Ninjas
- Throwers

[BlueKnight]

As xbower I think the following things counter me:

- Archers
- Xbowers
- HA
- HX
- Cav (1 is enough if he doesnt ride away anymore, the more the harder)
- all kinds of Infantry that spotted me and continues to follow when I bolt (the heavier the Armour the easier it is to escape ofc)
- Ninjas
- Throwers

Funny how they counter xbow when you can 1hit half of your counters...

[Nightmare798]

big piece of wood that you tie to your arm called shield.

[_Sebastian_]

Alcohol is the only solution...
Drunken players are able to counter anything!

[Tears of Destiny]

brainpower

This, which is why range will always be overnerfed and have how the bows work completely change multiple times a year in some futile attempt to find a "fix."


Pubbers are stupid, want to rambo, and you have to balance for them.

[LordBerenger]

It also happens to be the most effective

*2handed Greatsword lolstabber uses forum whining......It's Super Effective!*

*Archer defeated*

[Joseph Porta]

2h, 2h counters everything

[Kalam]

As a 'ninja', my biggest issue is that ranged these days can take two hits to the head. Honestly, solo ranged are easy enough to counter. Even two ranged who aren't used to working together. Ranged just makes setting up crossfires a no brainer. It encourages teamwork, much like pikes. Teamwork is the only real counter, unless your team has far less ranged.

The biggest problem with ranged (assuming both teams utilize good teamwork) is that they control the battlefield. Not the individual damage or rate of fire. Every ranged player has a chance to hit you, and there's nothing you can do until you get there. If you've got the athletics to catch up to them quickly, chances are, you don't have the power strike to end them quickly. Now, if there were enough 'mes' (or Mateys, anyone with high athletics who makes it his duty to chase ranged) then it might be a more effective counter.

Let's address the 'intelligence'. People, hiding in this game is boring and negated by open maps. Sure, if it was real life (or a weird game mode where respawn timers were set to 24 hours or more) I might move very cautiously from hiding place to hiding place and expect my team to do the same, all the while staying spread out until we converge on the ranged from multiple angles. That's time we don't have, and well, if I wanted to do that I'd play ARMA.

As an archer, my biggest counter are.. throwers and multiple crossbowmen. So still ranged.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Funny how they counter xbow when you can 1hit half of your counters...

Funny how all of these things can 1hit me aswell. Everything can kill everything in this game, still these are threats and ranged only kicks ass as long as ranged is left alone. If enemies put on pressure its pretty much over, speaking xbows.

[Gurnisson]

Funny how all of these things can 1hit me aswell. Everything can kill everything in this game, still these are threats and ranged only kicks ass as long as ranged is left alone. If enemies put on pressure its pretty much over, speaking xbows.

If you're dedicated, yes. Still, a crossbowman hybrid is a handful in melee.

I find that a 15/21 turning into a 15/24 build with a scottish/short arming, good 1 slot shield, arbalest and steel bolts is an op set-up. A 1-slot shield with a crossbow able to one-shot and swords with over 30 pierce and cut at +3 is way overboard. No real down-sides to a build like that, especially after the buff to 1h thrust.

[Grumbs]

The "brainpower" answer is kind of a cheap ego buffing answer imo. You can say that playing like complete idiots will get you killed easier by ranged, but playing smart will help you kill anything. Its no different against ranged, its just they have a unique ability that force multiplies in certain situations and detracts from the overall fun of the mod for a lot of players

You could buff the shit out of anything and say "brainpower" is a counter. Make great mauls super OP and you just have to kite them, see one and get your ranged to focus them down etc. Buffing maulers would not necessarily result in better overall gameplay though, which is the problem we have with too much ranged.

[DaveUKR]

Things that used to counter me:
- rain
- teamkills

[Rebelyell]

Things that used to counter me:
- rain
- teamkills

so we need more kapikulu players ingame

[Bulzur]

Best counters to any kind of ranged is :

1. Xbows :
They usually 1hit the recharging xbow or the "not-moving-cause-shooting" archer, waiting for this perfect shot. Can also hide just after the shot, making the other range unaware of his location. Less effective in rain.

2. Heavy Cavalry with shield :
Range can't kill that one easily, so they'll have to pull out their melee weapon. It then comes to skill to bump-slash the range. Rather ineffective on mountains and such.

3. HA :
They can completely prevent an xbow from recharging, or an archer from aiming-shooting, when the bump is used. Less effective on mountains and such.

4. Fast Cav with 1hitting ability :
Range are bound to tunnel vision at one point of the round. "Damn that bastard, i'll get him, just you wait, i'll cru... WTF, WHERE DID THAT CAV CAME FROM. NERFFFFF" Less effective on mountains and such.

5. Ninjas and kinngrimms :
Dedicated footmen, ready to use 50sec just to circle around and kill thoses range. If spotted, ninjas should use dodging, while kinngrimms should avoid getting ganked.

6. Archers :
Only in this position. If an archer hits you, you may loose as much as half your health, but you'll be aware of him, and can : hide, go away, dodge his arrows. But when there's 5 archers targetting you, then yes, you're dead.


Tatar arrows are probably best against other ranged. But now, with lots of people with heirloomed armor and such, it's better to use bodkins for all expect unarmored horses and peasants.