requirement for Great Maul 21>18STR

[Micah]

It is time to offer a counter for new 1h+shield to not only STR stackers, but the builds that get basically onehit by a 5PS 1h stab and do really require unbalancer help ...
Screw shieldbreakers ... they cant deal with the "new meta".
Just give it me, or i will cry all night   

[Necrorave]

You do realize, people will plate crutch with the great maul then have higher AGI on top of that because of your suggestion?

Pass.

While I can say daggers are crazy.  I still do not agree with 1h stab being too powerful.  I can agree that we need to re-balance 1h weapons though.

Chamber of Tears material

[Micah]

You do realize, people will plate crutch with the great maul then have higher AGI on top of that because of your suggestion?

Pass.

While I can say daggers are crazy.  I still do not agree with 1h stab being too powerful.  I can agree that we need to re-balance 1h weapons though.

Chamber of Tears material

1h stab is totally fine with me , for pure 1h ... they area dangerous class now- everythinbg that feels good, is good .. in gaming world, in my eyes.
1h+shield is a totally different matter though, they benefit from 1h buff and are deadly now too .. like "scary deadly" for everyone else on the field ... offer a propper counter to it ( aka CT) is a logical consequence, especially for classes that cant survive more than 1-2 hits ... which was  btw perhaps not intended by those players, when they build their char, it emerged from later balance patches...

[Penitent]

Shielders have the more counters than any other class except cavalry perhaps.

[Necrorave]

The only reason I disagree with your logic with shielders is because they give up a decent amount of speed and skillpoints to use that shield in the first place.

I find 1h users with no shield more frustrating and dangerous than any shielder if you want to consider stabs.  Although, the stab did make shielders with shorter weapons more potent, it makes sense in general for a short weapon to be powerful up close. (Excluding silly ones)

1h stab was given the "Buff" it needed.  They just need to figure things out with the balance of weapons now.  (I personally think lowering the pierce damage of most swords will fix this)

Not by much, but enough to make picks a choice over shortswords.

[Micah]

about Chamber of tears material : you do realize, that any counterargument to a "nerf" of "buff" discussion could be viewed as chamber of tears material too , from a different person, from a different perspective? Just swiming with the wave , doesnt necessarily get you to the solid ground , ya know ;P

Shielders have the more counters than any other class except cavalry perhaps.

thats chamber of tears material ... 

[Micah]

The only reason I disagree with your logic with shielders is because they give up a decent amount of speed and skillpoints to use that shield in the first place.

I find 1h users with no shield more frustrating and dangerous than any shielder if you want to consider stabs.  Although, the stab did make shielders with shorter weapons more potent, it makes sense in general for a short weapon to be powerful up close. (Excluding silly ones)

1h stab was given the "Buff" it needed.  They just need to figure things out with the balance of weapons now.  (I personally think lowering the pierce damage of most swords will fix this)

Not by much, but enough to make picks a choice over shortswords.

well, we have different opinions then about fighting it seems.. i do appreciate a a good fight where i knnow , that the other guy commits to a risk sometimes ...

[Necrorave]

about Chamber of tears material

Screw shieldbreakers ... they cant deal with the "new meta".
Just give it me, or i will cry all night   

This screams "Fuck everyone, give me what I want"

AKA Chamber of Tears.

I was merely criticizing your presentation.

[Penitent]

thats chamber of tears material ... 

No, it's a fact. 

2h/pole are countered by archers.
Archers are countered by shielders and sometimes cav.
Cav is countered by archers and some polearms.
Shield is countered by cav, sheild-breakers, and crushthrough.

I'm not complaining, QQing, or offering any tears to chamber.  It's just the way it is!

[Necrorave]

No, it's a fact. 

2h/pole are countered by archers.
Archers are countered by shielders and sometimes cav.
Cav is countered by archers, throwers and some polearms.
Shield is countered by cav, sheild-breakers, and crushthrough.

To be fair, you did forget one thing.

[Micah]

This screams "Fuck everyone, give me what I want!

well .. thats actually true, in one point; i do demand it in some way ... i do demand a fair trade .. for me .. yes! Thats all i can do =P

[Micah]

No, it's a fact. 

2h/pole are countered by archers.
Archers are countered by shielders and sometimes cav.
Cav is countered by archers and some polearms.
Shield is countered by cav, sheild-breakers, and crushthrough.

I'm not complaining, QQing, or offering any tears to chamber.  It's just the way it is!

beautiful unrealistic theory ^^
Anyhow, dont mind me fucking around a bit while drunk  wouldnt possibly write anything in this forumn if i wasnt , since i figured its totally useless ... so .. hf, and .. keep on stabbing 

edit: btw, you know that great maul has alot of disadventages aswell , right ;P

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

No, it's a fact. 

2h/pole are countered by archers.
Archers are countered by shielders and sometimes cav.
Cav is countered by archers and some polearms.
Shield is countered by cav, sheild-breakers, and crushthrough.

I'm not complaining, QQing, or offering any tears to chamber.  It's just the way it is!

If they aren't steel shielders you can include xbowies in the list of counters.