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does the means justify the end?
« on: October 16, 2013, 04:30:33 am »
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 05:34:59 am »
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 08:32:30 am »
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Silly human concepts.

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 11:22:48 am »
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I'd say the end justifies the means in some cases, not always. The means justifying the end is silly.

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 12:52:28 pm »
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wut?

so the means (what  you want to reach in the end) justifies the end?
Isn't it more like the means justify the methods?

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 01:02:03 pm »
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The usual question is: 'Does the end justify the means?'

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 01:11:48 pm »
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The does end the means justify?
Meaning lies as much
in the mind of the reader
as in the Haiku.

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 01:22:55 pm »
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I am totally not against it in every single way.
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 01:34:01 pm »
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 01:46:58 pm »
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I'd say, in most cases, yes.
I am totally not against it in every single way.
So if I murder someone it's cool because I did it very cleanly and neatly it would be cool? I am going to assume you both misread the question as 'does the end justify the means', which is not what he asked. I am having a lot of trouble thinking of a scenario where the means justify the end, if you disagree, enlighten me. I'd say if your end goal is bad, the way you get there will in no way justify what you are trying to get at.

Another question, did the OP purposefully turn the question around or was it an accident? Is he actually curious as to whether it could be the case or does he think it is plainly false as well?

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 01:49:41 pm »
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Another question, did the OP purposefully turn the question around or was it an accident? Is he actually curious as to whether it could be the case or does he think it is plainly false as well?
Hint: look through his post history.
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 04:45:04 pm »
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Imho:

Life is a journey, goals are small part of that journey. Goals can be personal goals, something that matters to you or slightly different kind of goals, something that matters to others. To achieve those goals that have value in the eyes of other people you often have to disregard their well being, which is a bit odd but that's how it goes. I guess it has something to do with animalistic nature of men, which is still present.

Individuality is the goal we are striving as a population of human species. Being able to function without relying on each other will be the definitive proof that we defeated nature aka order of things on planet earth.

Individuals have their own moral code, which is quite often something society consider the high morality. They rarely hurt others to achieve their goals, because they respect others as much they respect themselves. Those who choose no means to achieve their goals usually consider themselves strong (because of the goals they achieved) but in reality they are weak link of humanity because their moral and value codes are almost nonexistent.

So, I'm against using every possible mean to achieve personal or group goals. But that's just my own opinion, as always :)

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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 05:24:26 pm »
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Imho:

Life is a journey, goals are small part of that journey. Goals can be personal goals, something that matters to you or slightly different kind of goals, something that matters to others. To achieve those goals that have value in the eyes of other people you often have to disregard their well being, which is a bit odd but that's how it goes. I guess it has something to do with animalistic nature of men, which is still present.

Individuality is the goal we are striving as a population of human species. Being able to function without relying on each other will be the definitive proof that we defeated nature aka order of things on planet earth.

Individuals have their own moral code, which is quite often something society consider the high morality. They rarely hurt others to achieve their goals, because they respect others as much they respect themselves. Those who choose no means to achieve their goals usually consider themselves strong (because of the goals they achieved) but in reality they are weak link of humanity because their moral and value codes are almost nonexistent.

So, I'm against using every possible mean to achieve personal or group goals. But that's just my own opinion, as always :)

I'm not sure that sentence and the rest of your post after it matches up at all. I guess that depends on what you mean by "able to function".

Hint: look through his post history.

And this. Was it a real question by a poster that meant it, I would have posted a real post rather than a trollish post in my first post in this thread.
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 05:43:10 pm »
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 :rolleyes:
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Re: does the means justify the end?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 05:49:47 pm »
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"ends" and "means" are human-defined concepts that do not exist in the physical world. Now that I think of it, "justify" doesn't exist either, as it implies ethics.