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[Gurnisson]

That same asshole could instead be using a Spathovaklion or one of 1h's many other blunt weapons. You know, weapons that are as fast, longer, do more damage and have knockdown?

Maces are not faster and longer than the espada, they're slower and shorter. Maces do more damage on the swings, but lacks a stab, and the stab of the espada is stronger damage-wise than the swings of the maces.

I don't think Espada is broken myself, having very weak swings and all. Just had to comment on the bullshit you said about length and speed.

[rustyspoon]

Maces are not faster and longer than the espada, they're slower and shorter. Maces do more damage on the swings, but lacks a stab, and the stab of the espada is stronger damage-wise than the swings of the maces.

I don't think Espada is broken myself, having very weak swings and all. Just had to comment on the bullshit you said about length and speed.

My mistake on the length, but a difference of 3 speed is nothing to anyone who knows what they're doing..

[Bulzur]

My mistake on the length, but a difference of 3 speed is nothing to anyone who knows what they're doing..

Exactly, 3 speed is nothing.
Please buff the katana with 3 more speed please, since 3 speed is nothing.
Or just add 3 speed to all thrustless weapons, since 3 speed is nothing.

[Gurnisson]

My mistake on the length, but a difference of 3 speed is nothing to anyone who knows what they're doing..

Yes, the fastest maces are "only" 3 points slower non-heirloomed, 4 at mw. The longest mace is 8 slower non-heirloomed, 9 at mw. These are significant numbers and does matter.

If 3 speed is nothing, why is Longsword overused while two-handed sword is rarely used?

[Xant]

I wouldn't read too much into which weapon is used and which isn't, Gurnisson. More likely a trend thing. Longswords were used by almost no one back when I was active, and two-handed sword was the weapon of choice for people who wanted speed.

[rufio]

derp, 3 more speed> trend, derp

[Xant]

I don't speak Rufio, I'm afraid.

[rufio]

better start learning,

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fairyboy

[rustyspoon]

Yes, the fastest maces are "only" 3 points slower non-heirloomed, 4 at mw. The longest mace is 8 slower non-heirloomed, 9 at mw. These are significant numbers and does matter.

If 3 speed is nothing, why is Longsword overused while two-handed sword is rarely used?

Because people like FoTM? Because people like how the longsword looks better? Because longsword can be used on horseback and the two-handed sword can't? A better comparison would be the longsword to one of the great swords anyway. I still think greatswords far outperform the longsword.

Hell, with good footwork you can outswing a longsword user with a long maul. Footwork and athletics is a hell of a lot more important than weapon speed.

[rufio]

stahp plz stahp, you say this, but you no realise what if both have good footwork, what gives you the edge?, the faster hits yes? yes? also the weapon weight being lighter than the 2handedsword makes the longswords turnrate slightly faster, all these advatages all these advantages. but but it must be a trend i think.

[rustyspoon]

stahp plz stahp, you say this, but you no realise what if both have good footwork, what gives you the edge?, the faster hits yes? yes? also the weapon weight being lighter than the 2handedsword makes the longswords turnrate slightly faster, all these advatages all these advantages. but but it must be a trend i think.

Except for the fact that generally slower weapons do more damage. If your weapon does more damage, your chances of glancing are much lower. Since your chances of glancing are much lower, you can hit earlier in the animation.

[Teeth]

Are we really discussing whether 3 speed matters or not?

[DaveUKR]

3 points of speed is a significant difference, there is no sense in discussing it. It doesn't give you obvious advantage, but it's still significant. Longer the weapon, higher the wpf - more significant speed points become. With the same animation speed the edge of a weapon passes different distances according to its length. It's basics of geometry.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

stahp plz stahp, you say this, but you no realise what if both have good footwork, what gives you the edge?, the faster hits yes? yes? also the weapon weight being lighter than the 2handedsword makes the longswords turnrate slightly faster, all these advatages all these advantages. but but it must be a trend i think.

Damn, a new stage of ultrabias from Rufio, now you're whining about other 2hs as well.

[rufio]

my old friendget plz, the statement was that the longsword was used way more than the 2handed one for stat reasons, people didnt agree. read thread. but no you are only here to farm your given votes, tsk tsk