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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2013, 02:10:29 pm »
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I really don't think so. Image recognition is quite easy, and from there target acquisition shouldn't be a big problem. The problem almost reduces to what you can mount on your moving platform.
I'm talking about moving in a straight line, which really isn't all that difficult. Target acquisition and image recognition clearly aren't that easy, seeing as modern tanks still have gunners instead of being computer-controlled.
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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2013, 04:15:18 pm »
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I'm talking about moving in a straight line, which really isn't all that difficult.

Moving a creature with n legs forward on flat terrain is far from trivial. From that to actual military applications on any terrain the leap is huge. Even automated cars through a desert is incredibly difficult (but some made it).

Target acquisition and image recognition clearly aren't that easy, seeing as modern tanks still have gunners instead of being computer-controlled.

Computers are better at spotting movement but worse at understanding orders and identifying hostiles from other humans. We are also uncomfortable with the idea of letting a robot decide to kill things.

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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2013, 04:45:17 pm »
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The IBM 650 computer from the 1950's would cost you $4 million in today's dollars, and yet here you are sending us messages on a PC today @ 1/8000th's of the cost and suffice to say what you have is millions or billions of times faster and has a similar increase in memory (I cant be arsed to do the math)
As for hardening the equipment against attack, it will increase the cost, but isn't a technical challenge.

True, but that took 50 years. And cars on the other hand didn't become much cheaper. It will not be terribly difficult to disable one with an rpg or something I imagine. Even when you strap on all armor it can possibly carry. So what do you have in the end? Something that's somewhat tougher and with more firepower than an ordinary soldier but which can't go up stairs or might even have problems sorting out its legs when you throw a blanket over it. All in all it's not terribly scary, not compared to the all the other things that long exist.

As for decreasing costs I'd think what will become really cheap in the future is human life. Why are modern computers so cheap (*)? If you think the robots will become quite cheap, do you think they will be made in China? I am not at all against technology or globalization. But I do not think the technological revolution we had was economically sound (the costs were hidden though). We are only beginning to realize that now. And the other question is, instead of building killer robots why not go for fully autonomous agriculture, textiles and stuff and send all the new unemployed to the frontlines with a cheap rifle?

(*) One part of it certainly accounts for the initial investments being covered. Which is why noone cares about space mining. Even if establishing the necessary infrastructure only costs 50 billion $ and there's no extra running costs, you are not competing with companies digging it out of the earth and paying exactly 0 $ for such things. The other part invariably comes down to people producing more for a lower wage if you recurse long enough.

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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2013, 05:04:21 pm »
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I don't really believe in a wide application of armed ground drones in the near future. Air and sea navigation is ridiculously much easier from and AI point of view. Even getting 4 legged movement right is an incredible feat, and it can't even turn well yet.

I really don't think so. Image recognition is quite easy, and from there target acquisition shouldn't be a big problem. The problem almost reduces to what you can mount on your moving platform.
Image recognition is quite easy if you don't mind false positives.

Target acquisition in a dynamically shifting environment under far from perfect conditions... nah, we're not there yet.

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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2013, 07:57:43 pm »
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Image recognition is quite easy if you don't mind false positives.

This sentence doesn't really make any sense. By "easy" I meant modern techniques get decent roc curves, if you want to go down that road.

Target acquisition in a dynamically shifting environment under far from perfect conditions... nah, we're not there yet.

We are further from animal-like robots moving correctly in the same kind of environment, that's all I'm saying.

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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2013, 08:31:34 pm »
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Back on topic, why on earth would one want to have a 4 legged robot instead of you know, wheels ? Push this thing out of balance and voila, terminator vanquished.

Because a 4 legged animal can go where wheels cannot. It can already recover from stumbles and falls easily (or so BD claims and the video shows one such recovery where it tumbles and returns to its knees). It is in early development, but already is quite far along.

Moving a creature with n legs forward on flat terrain is far from trivial. From that to actual military applications on any terrain the leap is huge. Even automated cars through a desert is incredibly difficult (but some made it).

Not nearly as difficult as you think. A guy built one of these in his garage.

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Re: Killer robot
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2013, 10:41:13 pm »
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that looks so wrong lol
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