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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2013, 01:08:51 am »
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You forgot about one thing: PD also gives you penalty to WPF. You will se how much wpf you loose in here http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc
For ex I have 183 wpf in archery and 6pd. Effective WPF is 99.
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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2013, 01:31:24 am »
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When we talk about archery accuracy, are we literally discussing the centre-point of the reticule and how small it is?

Because I briefly tried a STF STR build archer with ~150WPF and ~8PD with light armour, and the reticule was comparible enough to my 170WPF, 6PD AGI build that I'm considering trying out a strength build.

Or are we also discussing the length one can hold the small reticule before it starts expanding; Higher WPF / smaller bow difficultly definitely helps with that IMHO.

On that note: ATH only affects running speed right, it's not going to increase my draw speed. So what increases draw speed (other than the weapon stat), just WPF?
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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2013, 01:51:13 am »
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Yes because Legolas is an accurate representation of how archery should be.
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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2013, 02:59:34 am »
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Yes because Legolas is an accurate representation of how archery should be.

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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2013, 03:12:26 am »
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Meh, Lars Andersen is better than him anyway.

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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2013, 01:39:59 pm »
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When we talk about archery accuracy, are we literally discussing the centre-point of the reticule and how small it is?

Because I briefly tried a STF STR build archer with ~150WPF and ~8PD with light armour, and the reticule was comparible enough to my 170WPF, 6PD AGI build that I'm considering trying out a strength build.

Or are we also discussing the length one can hold the small reticule before it starts expanding; Higher WPF / smaller bow difficultly definitely helps with that IMHO.

On that note: ATH only affects running speed right, it's not going to increase my draw speed. So what increases draw speed (other than the weapon stat), just WPF?

Yeah pretty sure ATH is only runspeed, WPF and maybe power draw for draw speed. Not sure.

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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2013, 03:02:10 pm »
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You're probably not investing enough wpf. 150 is the absolute least I use with both bows and crossbows. I like being between 160 and 175 myself. Melee wpf is a lot less useful than ranged wpf.


Yeah pretty sure ATH is only runspeed, WPF and maybe power draw for draw speed. Not sure.

Power draw doesn't affect draw speed, only the wpf does that.
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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2013, 03:07:42 pm »
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Yes because Legolas is an accurate representation of how archery should be.
Im acctually suprised there was a movie....and even a book. Considering how fucking godlike they made Legolas look, im sorta asking myself why didnt he just win the entire war all by himself.

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Re: Wholy crap, why are bows so innacurate?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2013, 03:20:55 pm »
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Im acctually suprised there was a movie....and even a book. Considering how fucking godlike they made Legolas look, im sorta asking myself why didnt he just win the entire war all by himself.
Because everyone knows elves are the most intelligent, beautiful, skilled, athletic, naturally and magically attuned race  :rolleyes:
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Ty for the solid info! 170 WPF it is then, I wonder if there will be enough to make my backup shortspear/quarter staff useful :P

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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2013, 03:26:39 pm »
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It's not mandatory getting that much, but I like doing some long range shot. I usually just sheath my bow and reposition when the enemies close me down since I have 0 ps, 0 if, 12 1h wpf and a pickaxe. The best builds if you want to be decent in melee too is 18/18 and 18/21. I'd suggest 18/21 with 155 wpf or so. You'll get a bit of polearm wpf as well then.


Check this guide as well. :)
 
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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2013, 03:32:17 pm »
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Here have my - just for saying "lbs". Learn the metric system.
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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2013, 03:58:37 pm »
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Here have my - just for saying "lbs". Learn the metric system.
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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2013, 04:08:06 pm »
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Wow, what's with all the hate? I wasn't complaining as to them being inaccurate, just asking for an understanding. Wasn't demanding they be more accurate, and yet everyone seems to have been molested by an archer at some point in their life, based on the downvotes =/

First of all, if you mention anything relating ranged in this forum without being excessively negative about ranged in your post, you get hate because 80 % here are lobbying butthurt cunts.

Second, before going archer/pole hybrid and you intent to use 3. person view, consider this:

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/polearms-blocking-view/msg718781/#msg718781
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Re: What are the mechanics of archer accuracy?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2013, 04:15:14 pm »
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Word of Advice:
The PD penalties to WPF got lowered recently. It's not the same as it was, meaning 150-160 is worth a lot more now than it was. That's, not counting armor, equal to about 120-130 wpf effective.

This is confirmed and tested, the old PD forumlas are bad. I believe this is the same for PT, but we couldn't find proof for PT, and only proof for PD.
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