balance the heavy lance

[Lecram]

So i think that the upkeep of the heavy lance is a bit to high (about 700 gold)
and the heavy lance dont do that much dmg (24p). and now look to other lances

light lance has less upkeep but 3 more dmg? dafuq? A LIGHT lance does more dmg as a HEAVY lance? the word heavy says that a weapon should be strong and the word light says that a weapon should be light and shouldnt do that much dmg. and finally the lance

the lance cost about 5k in the shop and does more dmg as a MASTERWORK HEAVY lance? i mean where is the balance for the heavy lance if all lances (exept the double sided lance) have less upkeep and do a lot more dmg as a heavy lance? In my opium u should disincrease the upkeep for a heavy lance or increase te upkeep fromlance and light lance. give the heavy lance a balance!
so pls think about that 

[CrazyCracka420]

yeah the heavy lance is priced too high IMO.  It's the best weapon for going up against other cavalry, but it's inferior to the lance for killing infantry.  Even the lance can take on heavy lance users if you have good maneuvering/juking skills on your horse, or if they aren't able to use the full length of the heavy lance (Or get it to full extension before you are able to).

[San]

Reduce its price to the same level as the other lances.

[Gurnisson]

Reduce its price to the same level as the other lances.

This. While the lower damage is somewhat justified (1 more pierce wouldn't hurt though), the higher (almost double!) price is not.

[XyNox]

Isnt it all about the massive speed bonus you get with such a slow weapon on a fast horse ?

[Palurgee]

Approved, heavy lance is too weak. The thing has less thrust damage than an iron staff and its slower than a mallet ... The +10 reach over the regular lance doesn't make up for its other shit stats, including its price... 10,000g for this piece of shit? A pitch fork does 1 less point of damage and its only 127g. Buff heavy lance!

[Legs]

Heavy lance was one of those weapons that was too popular for some reason (hint: it's the longest thrusting lance) so they gave it a great big nerf to force people into something else.

As a result the only people that still use it are the oldschool lancers who only use it out of habit or because they think that it's fun despite being underpowered. Sort of like when people use the practice lance or jousting lance, although both of those are arguably better than the heavy lance.

[MURDERTRON]

Also the Heavy Lance is worthless on foot while the Light Lance is quite good and the normal Lance would never be a first choice, but it is useable.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

At least it's somewhat amusing seeing it called the "heavy glance".

I don't think the speed difference is enough to make up for the damage difference, but it is much easier to hit things with a slower stabbing lance on horseback.

[Malaclypse]

Also the Heavy Lance is worthless on foot

190 reach overheads make for great support, think about it. Not shabby as a hoplite weapon either.

[Kafein]

190 reach overheads make for great support, think about it. Not shabby as a hoplite weapon either.

Bounce all day everyday

[CrazyCracka420]

190 reach overheads make for great support, think about it. Not shabby as a hoplite weapon either.

It's a night and day difference between using a lance on foot (which I do all the time when dehorsed) and the heavy lance (even when it had more damage).  The heavy lance would only be used by me in extreme situations (basically if I was near teammates who didn't have a spear/lance/pike). 

[Teeth]

I think the current price of the Heavy Lance is due to the first balance attempt when it was the undisputed king of lances, unsurprisingly balance by upkeep proved ineffective. So they now balanced it by stats, a little heavily. Currently there is indeed no reason that the Heavy Lance should be in a different price range as the other lances.

Light Lance is my favourite lance as an armour, heavy horse and strength crutching lancer. I have no qualms taking on any other lancers head on, as few seem to be really proficient at using their lance to its full extent, especially when I do tactical slowdowns. When fighting infantry the Light Lance is just amazing and when dehorsed it is relatively bad compared to awlpikes and the lot, but still very usable.

Heavy Lance deserves at least a price decrease to 6k and probably a 1 or maybe 2 damage increase. Although I don't know to what extent the slow speed rating attributes to the damage after speed bonus. Maybe with a +3 courser and high riding skill doing full speed hit and runs is actually very effective? I can't be arsed to try it as that is the complete opposite of my playstyle as cav, but if anybody can comment on that?

190 reach overheads make for great support, think about it. Not shabby as a hoplite weapon either.

You are wrong. It's horrible by any standard. Sure you can kill someone with it, but you can also do that with a sickle.

[Jarold]

I think the reach is major factor too. It's long and slow which is actually useful for cavalry..... or at least when I played. But I still would use the lance over any other one.

[CrazyCracka420]

In my mind it's still the best cav vs cav weapon, but that doesn't mean it should be worth twice as much as the lance (I use the lance btw), I personally think the lance is a better weapon and should be the more expensive one (or at least priced evenly).