GTA 5 Torture Mission (debate inside and no big spoilers hopefully)

[Nightmare798]

Your arguments are just getting thinner and thinner. When the hell did i ever fucking say that every damn person has to go murder anyone after they've played violent games? I think the amount of times this has happened might be, 15? Do you even read anymore?

I AM FUCKING TELLING YOU THAT NOBODY EVER MURDERED BECAUSE OF THE VIDEO GAMES!

the intent is already there! video games causing people to kills is an ugly lie so they have someone else to blame for their fucking deed so that consequences are not so bad for them.

think about it, why would anyone claim they killed because of video games? SO THEY CAN FUCKING BLAME THE SAID GAME!

murderer: yeah the game made me do it, the game is guilty for what i have done, not me. i am innocent!
and some people are stupid enough to believe this.

if you keep on posting just so you can tell me how poor are my reasoning skills, then please, fuck off.

people killing because they played video games is a bullshit myth that needs to die.

[Nightmare798]

How come Bittersteel, nor Xant have replied to my post?

i believe my post spamming is at fault here. i am sincerely sorry for that.

[zagibu]

How come Bittersteel, nor Xant have replied to my post?

They probably have the NA filter on.

[Bittersteel]

I AM FUCKING TELLING YOU THAT NOBODY EVER MURDERED BECAUSE OF THE VIDEO GAMES!

the intent is already there! video games causing people to kills is an ugly lie so they have someone else to blame for their fucking deed so that consequences are not so bad for them.

think about it, why would anyone claim they killed because of video games? SO THEY CAN FUCKING BLAME THE SAID GAME!

murderer: yeah the game made me do it, the game is guilty for what i have done, not me. i am innocent!
and some people are stupid enough to believe this.

if you keep on posting just so you can tell me how poor are my reasoning skills, then please, fuck off.

people killing because they played video games is a bullshit myth that needs to die.

You are quite retarded, eh? Your argument is do stupid it's not even worth trying anymore so i'm gonna post one last time and hope you understand why you are wrong.

First you made a dumb comparison between GTA and a flying simulator. How about comparising with a game that actually has in it? And then you think it affects every person and say you have played plenty of violent games and you have not murdered anyone. Use your fucking brain mate. Some insane person most likely have played the game with no intention of killing before, saw how cool it is and have gone outside shooting people. You are so stupid you are not even looking at the options, thinking that it affects every damn person. If they say the game affected them, where the hell do you have the proof that they are lying? I could go caps lock on you aswell but i'm just gonna say that you are deadwrong pal.

[Xant]

How come Bittersteel, nor Xant have replied to my post?

1) Any time I try to engage in a discussion with you you stop replying when it becomes difficult to answer the questions I ask.
2) What is there to reply to? Think very carefully about what exactly I've said and how that contradicts your post.

[Lt_Anders]

They probably have the NA filter on.

Yup, they do. I mean, it's easier to argue the guy spamming caps lock than the guy who has a shit ton of scholarly journals that you got to read.

Australia, and the US disagree with Bittersteels point about games = violence. Europe is still in the Dark Ages. Then again, Europe hasn't done any research on it cause they can't get past their inferiority to NA. They first have to compensate there

But, in honesty, most game research is performed in the US concerning psychosocial health, where as EU has far more studies done on the REAL measurable studies(ie weight gain, eye problems, etc).

1) Any time I try to engage in a discussion with you you stop replying when it becomes difficult to answer the questions I ask.
2) What is there to reply to? Think very carefully about what exactly I've said and how that contradicts your post.

1) Humbug. You are just far to conceited.
2) Actually, it doesn't? You mention that the logic: Person A plays X, X does Y so Person A will do Y is flawed. I'm supporting that statement, so I guess we are in agreement.

Perhaps I was referencing Bittersteel more then?

[Tibe]

Nothing suprising there, the usual complainers. Concerned parents who dont know jack about the subject they so fiercely protest against and politicians who really arent creative enough to try and gain political ground any other way but to take advantage of the illinformed and shocked parents.

I mean by god. Reading the Bible has turned more people into murderers then anything else ever made. So why isnt that banned yet?

[Xant]

Video games aren't brain-changing (at least any more than a book or having a new thought is): Gandhi wouldn't turn into a killer after playing GTA V. However, if a couple of teenagers who sometimes go out fighting at the town play a fighting game and have fun, there is a good chance they will feel like going fighting in real life afterwards as well. But that doesn't mean GTA would make them go murder people, because, again, video games do not alter our brains (enough) for that to happen, they still know what is right and what is wrong. Their ethics remain unchanged as does their fear of the law. Things in video games can give them ideas to do things, but those things would have to be things that they'd be alright with doing even without playing a game.

[Nightmare798]

You are quite retarded, eh? Your argument is do stupid it's not even worth trying anymore so i'm gonna post one last time and hope you understand why you are wrong.

First you made a dumb comparison between GTA and a flying simulator. How about comparising with a game that actually has in it? And then you think it affects every person and say you have played plenty of violent games and you have not murdered anyone. Use your fucking brain mate. Some insane person most likely have played the game with no intention of killing before, saw how cool it is and have gone outside shooting people. You are so stupid you are not even looking at the options, thinking that it affects every damn person. If they say the game affected them, where the hell do you have the proof that they are lying? I could go caps lock on you aswell but i'm just gonna say that you are deadwrong pal.

and where the hell is a proof that this shit is actually truth?
you know i dont give enough fucks to keep going on this argument, i already said what i wanted to. your inability to grasp it is something i cant do anything about.

[Bittersteel]

Cause they said so? I think that's more of a reason than you just saying "Nope, fuck you".¨


To Anders, well what i've tried to tell this moron is that i believe that some people might have gotten killed because of a violent game. Some pshycotic bastard with medical conditions played a game and then went out killing people. I truly doubt that this has never happened. Or as Nightmare would have said it:


IT HAS HAPPENED, K?

[Nightmare798]

Cause they said so? I think that's more of a reason than you just saying "Nope, fuck you".¨


To Anders, well what i've tried to tell this moron is that i believe that some people might have gotten killed because of a violent game. Some pshycotic bastard with medical conditions played a game and then went out killing people. I truly doubt that this has never happened. Or as Nightmare would have said it:


IT HAS HAPPENED, K?

Nope, fuck you.

edit: lawyers are always trying to find means of minimalize the punishment as much as possible. you know where this is going.

[AntiBlitz]

Just to throw this out there, i dont really get how they all of a sudden are like "holy crap we added torture to a game for children" when this same kind of thing and much worse has been in gaming for a long while.  Games like Metal Gear depicted your character being tortured where you had to button mash to survive your torture, or Far Cry, Skyrim, or the holy grail of violent gaming The Punisher.  In that game it depicts nothing but slaughtering massive amounts of people and then torturing them for information.

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Dont mind the video, it was the only montage one i could find.

[Bittersteel]

An ironic answer to cover all of your stupidity. Nice

[Nightmare798]

Just to throw this out there, i dont really get how they all of a sudden are like "holy crap we added torture to a game for children" when this same kind of thing and much worse has been in gaming for a long while.  Games like Metal Gear depicted your character being tortured where you had to button mash to survive your torture, or Far Cry, Skyrim, or the holy grail of violent gaming The Punisher.  In that game it depicts nothing but slaughtering massive amounts of people and then torturing them for information.

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Dont mind the video, it was the only montage one i could find.

Manhunt anyone?

[Lt_Anders]

To Anders, well what i've tried to tell this moron is that i believe that some people might have gotten killed because of a violent game. Some pshycotic bastard with medical conditions played a game and then went out killing people. I truly doubt that this has never happened. Or as Nightmare would have said it:

Correlation isn't grounds for Causality.

And Belief doesn't matter. Science does. Sadly, we have to start over from square 1 cause to many people "Believe" games cause problems and made it so that it has appeared so.