spathion kinda sucks now...

[Nightmare798]

[Tibe]

Meh, I think its alright. There are just some weapons that work imo, no matter if you nerf or buff a few points here and there. That its not the blade, but the wielder. And how is the espada better? Its swingdamage is still inferior and its lighter, which means you get stunned more easly.

[Grumpy_Nic]

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[Nightmare798]

Meh, I think its alright. There are just some weapons that work imo, no matter if you nerf or buff a few points here and there. That its not the blade, but the wielder. And how is the espada better? Its swingdamage is still inferior and its lighter, which means you get stunned more easly.

it compensates with 99 speed and 29 stab pierce. plus if i land it at least remotely right, i dont glance.

[Tibe]

Its not that big a deal imo. These 1hs all perform rather similar. I just went all in on looks when picking a 1h weapon and not even looking at the stats.

[El_Infante]

I don't think spathion sucks. It's a balanced weapon. I agree that weapon deserve +1 speed buff. After all 10k item need some love.

[karasu]

Really op? 

[San]

It's a little clunky, but that's the point. It has good damage for both swings and stabs. You can retaliate just fine, but you can't just expect to feint and spam at will. Definitely one of the better 1hs, but from my time playing with it for a few weeks, it's for a more defensive playstyle.

[Gurnisson]

Spathion gets +3 thrust and +3 cut as masterwork. Compare it to mw paramerion, and you'll see that it outshines it easily, and the paramerion is more expensive.

I have no idea why there's some one-handers getting +3 thrust and +3 cut at masterwork level, while the rest of the lot gets +3 on one stat and +2 on the other.

[Nightmare798]

Spathion gets +3 thrust and +3 cut as masterwork. Compare it to mw paramerion, and you'll see that it outshines it easily, and the paramerion is more expensive.

I have no idea why there's some one-handers getting +3 thrust and +3 cut at masterwork level, while the rest of the lot gets +3 on one stat and +2 on the other.

sorry, forgot everyone who plays this has insta-masterwork everything right off the bat, my bad.

[Gurnisson]

sorry, forgot everyone who plays this has insta-masterwork everything right off the bat, my bad.

Normal Paramerion is also inferior to normal Spathion

[Nightmare798]

Normal Paramerion is also inferior to normal Spathion

it also has 1 reach and 1 more cut damage, but i agree. the point is that sword this slow is not really worth buying at this price cap.

heck long arming sword has one less cut, one more speed and 2 less pierce and is nearly 4k cheaper.

[Canuck]

I think the spathion is in a fine place right now, though I wouldn't be opposed to a 1 speed buff because buffing a weapon I use is always nice

What really deserves a look is the Nordic Champion Sword in comparison, seeing as 1h stabs with non thrust specialized weapons are actually useful now the 1 speed 1 cut and 1k price difference doesn't seem worth losing 5 pierce unloomed and 6 at masterwork. The only reason I could see someone taking this sword over spathion is for looks, which I agree are important, but the weapons could still be better balanced. The Paramerion could also be better for it's price considering the other weapons that it's competing with.


Nordic Champion's Sword                                                                                                       
weapon length: 102
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 97
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Price: 9,285

Spathion
weapon length: 102
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 96
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 31 cut
slots: 1
Price: 10,290

[Phew]

If Spathion sucks, Knightly Arming Sword must be awful, because at +3 it has 3 less thrust damage and only gives up one speed.

Something about the 100+ length 1h swords makes them seem way slower than their rating; military cleaver seems faster than the KAS/NCS/spathion/paramerion, despite having a slower rating. My +3 Arabian Guard Sword is rated at 99 speed, but it feels clunky in duels. Meanwhile, a Grosse Messer or Side Sword (same 99 speed) seems nimble. It's probably all in my head.

I was using Draeth's +3 Liuyedao last night, and to my horror, I performed way better than I usually do. I prefer the look/playstyle of the more "substantial" swords, but something about the 85-95 length/100+ speed 1h swords just makes them more effective.

[San]

I was using Draeth's +3 Liuyedao last night, and to my delight, I performed way better than I usually do. I prefer the look/playstyle of the more "substantial" swords, but something about the 85-95 length/100+ speed 1h swords just makes them more effective.

Fixed. Liuyedao is just better than most of those clunky weapons. /bias
I don't think a lot of the longer 1hs are that great and really don't know how they should be changed.

It might be in your head a little bit on the 99 speed thing, but the fluidity of use between weapon speeds is quite apparent. The shorter weapons might feel like they hit earlier or something because the opponent can be a closer distance X away from you for sideswings with shorter weapons.. (I also notice overheads being much better for weapons of a certain length). That's why the really short weapons hit very well against enemies that are only slightly to the side in front of you.