pierce damage

[Penitent]

There are 2 reasons why GL Bardiche has worse stab than the NCS.  Realism, and Balance.

Balance:
GL Bardich has waaay more reach and waaay more cut damage.  It can rear horses, and break shields.
NCS is faster, can be used with a shield, and has a slightly better stab.
If the GL Bardiche has a great stab, or the NCS had a worse stab, they would be OP/UP respectively.

Realism:
The GL Bardiche has a curved blade...not very good for stabbing.  It's like trying to shove a sharpened tennis racket into somebody.  It's not going to work very well.
The NCS, while it does have a somewhat "spatulate" tip, it does have a point and a straight blade.  Even though the GL Bardische can be used with two hands, you would not be able to shove that blade into something as deeply as the NCS. 

What can penetrate a human body more?  A sharpened tennis racket thrust with 2 hands, or a sharpened butter knife thrust with one?  The knife will penetrate further.  The other is just too broad for real penetration.

Now put the tennis racket on a long pole.  It becomes imbalanced and harder to control exactly where you're stabbing.  This makes it even harder to penetrate into a vital spot.

[Phew]

I think the issue is with speed bonus; you pretty much can't help but achieve maximum speed bonus with thrusts, which is why 31 pierce from a thrust always seems to do way more damage than 31 pierce from a steel pick. It's also why an agility awlpiker does just as much damage as a strength awlpiker (try it in single player).

Maybe the speed bonus formula could be adjusted to provide less benefit for thrusts (for all weapon types)?

[San]

I have just one question: why one-handed swords have more pierce damage than some polearms.

Because of crap 25-27c swings. Swings from them do so little damage that you can shrug it off (hyperbole, but you know what I mean). And even so, they have less pierce than the dedicated stab polearms, and are more akin to spears. Adjust side sword's damage to 28c 28p and balance Spathion vs Knightly Arming Sword. At 28c 28p, there's a 1:1 exchange between cut and pierce damage compared to the espadas. Maybe even remove the +3 swing +3 stab from MW weapons and make it +3 +2 depending on the weapon's specialization.

30c 31p doesn't sound so bad compared to the 32c 32p we have now.

[Grumbs]

Swing damage might not be much, but it allows you to feint which by itself can allow you to get a stab in. You can let some left swings/overheads hit too, its not like they do no damage especially when they hit the head. 15-20 blunt on unshielded spears is about the same, and you can do it without sheathing the shield

[Phew]

30c 31p doesn't sound so bad compared to the 32c 32p we have now.

Yeah, the different bonuses at +3 for different weapons business is silly. I'm OK with the peasant weapons getting +4 cut at Elder's, because they are peasant weapons and suck regardless. But once you get into the "real" weapons, all weapons should be getting only 6 bonus stats (i.e. +3cut, +2 pierce, +1 speed) at +3.

Spathion and Side Sword are balanced with the Knightly Arming Sword and Italian Sword (respectively) when unloomed, but the extra bonus to thrust damage make the Spathion and Side Sword too good at Masterwork.

[Fartface]

I think 1handers are fine.

[MURDERTRON]

Historically weapons like rapiers replaced typical medieval swords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier) so it kinda proves that stab damage was found more useful than the cutting one.

But this only happened as armor fell out of fashion due to the emergence of firearms.

[Penitent]

But this only happened as armor fell out of fashion due to the emergence of firearms.

That's not entirely true.  Swords starting be come more "thrust" oriented and less "cut" oriented as armor became thicker and more plate-bound in the 14th century.  This is when it started.

Only once armor was becoming less popular (due to firearms) could these already specialized thrusting swords become lighter and thinner, thus the rapier.
Still, the rapier was largely a civilian/town weapon.  Chopping swords stayed in fashion for a long time on the battlefield proper.  Cutlasses could even be found on some WWII naval destroyers!

The evolution started long before firearms though.
Also, the side sword is not a true rapier.  Side swords were a late medieval invention designed to specialize the thrust but have a serviceable cut as well.

[Johammeth]

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[Cradoc]

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If you're inverse, yes...

[Johammeth]

If you're inverse, yes...

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[EyeBeat]

Rebuff elite scimitar to where it was since one handed stabs are super OP.

[Kafein]

Wait, I know I already use inversed attack directions, but inversed blocking ? Doesn't make much sense to move the mouse up when you want to block down

[Grumbs]

Is that if you have your Y axis inverted in general in games? I used to play like that in FPS's . Feels natural if you played any flying games

[Nightmare798]

Rebuff elite scimitar to where it was since one handed stabs are super OP.

HOLY SHIT 1H CAN ACTUALLY STAB NOW ZOMG THATS SO FUCKING OP!!!! NERF THE FUCK OUTTA THEM AGAIN DO IT NAO!!!!