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Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« on: September 01, 2013, 08:51:38 pm »
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I can understand once but again? Could I please get some assistance from my Raven friends :(.
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 08:58:03 pm »
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Why would you understand the first time?  :lol:
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 09:20:04 pm »
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We are moving armies to the effected area to enforce our wishes. All merchants in our territory are asked to stay away from the Tash Kulun/Malayurg Castle area until further notice, any currently there must leave immediately.

I fielded quite a few questions by Aderyn about this very thing yesterday and now this attack magically appears even deeper inside Raven territory.

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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 09:33:37 pm »
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This seems to be quite a blatant disregard of our wishes.
Since we have already been through this at least twice with Hospitaller, they should know how this will end if they abuse our hospitality .
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 09:39:59 pm »
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Fighting in a factions territory after explicit warnings not to... Would have caused another WW in EU if it happened this many times  :lol:
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2013, 02:10:38 pm »
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I try and stay out of Diplomacy, as I don't want to get involved like I did in the past, I play more casual now with little regard for strat (waiting on Rome 2) but can assure you Hospitaller means no disrespect, Its just hard for them when FCC keeps getting reinforcements from your direction. I understand letting everyone use your lands, as you let Hospitaller for a time being, their issue is you are at our borders making it an easy staging ground for FCC.

FCC could make an army, add trading goods to head your way for a swap, then use that army to reinforce in our lands claiming they were just their to trade and the secondary action was not planned.

Regardless, You did make it clear and gave them fair warning. It just puts them in a very awkward position. I would have thought your best stance would have been to deny all military presence what so ever, meaning heading towards to attack a near by faction, reinforcing staging area or any army meant in a hostile manner. I understand the need for FCC traders to come and openly trade in your area and respect you lads for your neutrality, but allowing armies that then head into your neighbors land to attack or reinforce should be looked at the same way as armies coming in to your lands to attack those said armies, either should be denied.

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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2013, 02:17:44 pm »
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I try and stay out of Diplomacy, as I don't want to get involved like I did in the past, I play more casual now with little regard for strat (waiting on Rome 2) but can assure you Hospitaller means no disrespect, Its just hard for them when FCC keeps getting reinforcements from your direction.


? Keeps getting?  Im the only "reinforcement" that passed through ravens lands.  Its roughly the same run from sungetche castle - are you going to start attacking us outside sungetche castle as well just because you failed to catch dildos coming from there,  We have to march through some neutral lands to get to ichamur, a city we own.  You have plenty of armies blockading it and its still a 3-4 hour run from either area because of the hills in the south and the distance in the north.  No reason to invade neutral lands because we get 1-2 guys through your blockade and one of the areas they passed through on our journey across the map happened to be neutral ground - 80% of the map at war with us making travel dangerous and you break their border restrictions because one faction doesn't automatically attack us when we are not violating their border restrictions?


To be fair - they have no obligation to atatck people for you.  The people you should be upset with are occitan and frisians.  By not attacking us aggressively (we have actually gained 20K troops and millions of gold in their 3 months of being "at war" with us, its allowed us to easily reinforce ichamur.  By taking 3 months to basically take the 4-5 villages we hadn't gotten around to selling yet they put almost no real pressure on us.  You as a smaller faction have done more than they have with twice your active membership.  I'm sure they will bitch that its too hard or that fcc "cheats" or some other such nonsense, but it comes down laziness and cowardice - occitan still has 7-10K troops in most of their castles and cities like they are about to be attacked (not sure who when they are allied with most of the map).
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2013, 05:08:52 pm »
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I try and stay out of Diplomacy, as I don't want to get involved like I did in the past, I play more casual now with little regard for strat (waiting on Rome 2) but can assure you Hospitaller means no disrespect, Its just hard for them when FCC keeps getting reinforcements from your direction. I understand letting everyone use your lands, as you let Hospitaller for a time being, their issue is you are at our borders making it an easy staging ground for FCC.

FCC could make an army, add trading goods to head your way for a swap, then use that army to reinforce in our lands claiming they were just their to trade and the secondary action was not planned.

Regardless, You did make it clear and gave them fair warning. It just puts them in a very awkward position. I would have thought your best stance would have been to deny all military presence what so ever, meaning heading towards to attack a near by faction, reinforcing staging area or any army meant in a hostile manner. I understand the need for FCC traders to come and openly trade in your area and respect you lads for your neutrality, but allowing armies that then head into your neighbors land to attack or reinforce should be looked at the same way as armies coming in to your lands to attack those said armies, either should be denied.

This policy of "no fighting in our territory" has been in place for a long time and we have only rarely had issues with it.

Yes, FCC can use our territory to trade in while at the same time maneuver armies into their Ichamur area for reinforcement. Just as Hospitaller could come 'trading' at Nova Amere and then hit FCC's holdings around there. It works both ways. Occitan has walked through our territory without even the pretense of trading before and we allow it under the idea that "All neutral traffic is considered merchants".

Turboflex and I are considering changes to our current policy but for now it remains in effect. What really bothers us about this entire thing, is that Hospitaller knew and was warned repeatedly not to do this and here we are.

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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2013, 05:58:01 pm »
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And here we fucking are nerds!
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2013, 06:24:21 pm »
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I have to say I do admire Hospitallers more than a little right now.  They are attacking things and doesn't afraid of anything.  That is exactly the kind of can-do attitude that gives us all more strat exp.  Thank you Hospitallers, for not taking things too seriously.

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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2013, 07:01:20 pm »
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2013, 09:12:35 pm »
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just because you failed to catch dildos coming from there

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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2013, 04:31:37 pm »
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Seems contradictory to let FCC stage armies to march into our lands in Raven territory, and then allow them to retreat back into your lands after provoking us. 
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Re: Attacked again is Raven's neutral area?
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2013, 04:46:44 pm »
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Seems contradictory to let FCC stage armies to march into our lands in Raven territory, and then allow them to retreat back into your lands after provoking us. 

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