Nerf rondel

[Umbra]

Because it kills me and i do not like getting killed (maybe even dagger/long dagger)

Edit: Clarification - Im fine with them on their own, im against them being used with shields

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Hey, at least im honest! 

[Lennu]

Hey it kills me too!

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We have SO much in common

[Miwiw]

1h weapons like those quick and strong daggers, ie. Rondel should probably not be possible to be used together with shields. You know those guys, big fat plate shield which cannot be destroyed anyway together with a Rondel. If they make a mistake, they die. That takes forever however.

You may hate that? 

[Tzar]

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[Umbra]

1h weapons like those quick and strong daggers, ie. Rondel should probably not be possible to be used together with shields. You know those guys, big fat plate shield which cannot be destroyed anyway together with a Rondel. If they make a mistake, they die. That takes forever however.

You may hate that? 

Yes i should have been clearer, i have no objections for assasin chars, however using it with a shield is a bit too powerful

@ Tzar - I am a big kick abuser already 

[Miwiw]

Those with a Rondel usually got high agi and ath and know how to play with it. It's easy to counter on distance with a big sword but with 5 ATH only and plate armor, it is often difficult to avoid being hit and the stab of a Rondel quickly kills you.
That's totally fine with me!
 
I just dislike that together with a big plate shield though, that's usually impossible to destroy after 10-20 hits. =D

Fighting with a Rondel alone is already difficult enough with most people playing with longer weapons or ranged stuff.

[Clockworkkiller]

it should be used with a shield alright,

just not a bigass huscarl or steel shield. A kite, heater or buckler are just fine though

but yea, it can get annoying, i even have a rondel&shield agi alt, but i hate players like FapFap,
who pump points into nothing but agi, then run around the battlefield, with a unbreaking steel shield, a hammer or pickaxe (or club, whichever one he uses) while riding a heavy horse, its fucking cheap and annoying,

[Gravoth_iii]

block down

[Vermilion]

30 pierce on a very quick dagger is pretty insane.. but 1-way directional attack and short reach does balance it EDIT- I was wrong (didn't know about it's secondary mode)

I have more of a problem with the dagger/long dagger (or whatever keeps catching me out when I think it's the rondel) ... These should not be able to swing so fast when used with a shield. EDIT - previous error makes this invalid

[Palurgee]

30 pierce on a very quick dagger is pretty insane.. but 1-way directional attack and short reach does balance it

It isn't 1 directional

[Clockworkkiller]

Rondel was designed as a "armorkiller", thats why it has insane damage

and rondels secondary mode can easily outspam people, i use it if im stuck in a bad 1v1

[Vermilion]

It isn't 1 directional

I though it could only stab??

[Clockworkkiller]

I though it could only stab??

secondary mode, it has all directions EXCEPT stab

dont know how much dmg it does though

[Vermilion]

secondary mode, it has all directions EXCEPT stab

dont know how much dmg it does though

Oh.. what's the point in that?

[Wraist]

^Rondel's secondary mode innately has 26 pierce damage, and is the only mode that can chamber all 4 directions. It's also better to do something like stab, stab, switch, blah as opposed to stab stab stab, since most people block down again.