what is your opinion on range?

[mrrdhardy]

Here we go another range QQ thread but i want to know how people feel afew month after the range buff patch here is my opinion. My opinion is the old patch what better. Makeing none loomed range just as good as loomed one makes no sense to me, you put all that work into leveling and looming your bow and someone who is new can still be just as good. CRPG is about progressing by putting time in it and i find it more frustrating to play on server when you know that alot of the range havent put time into progressing there characters and let be honest completely own. i find it to be at it worst when servers are dead in morning's or late at night, this makes playing melee impossible when the server is amost 50% range. so over all my opinion is nerf low level range again the last patch was perfect it make playing archer hard and have to earn the right to play as one which make the number of archers perfect and skilled. Im not here to sound like a dick but i feel CRPG should be a melee dominated game with range as a support class not 30-50% range, im sorry you can say i am QQ but it is starting to get stupid now. anyway this is my opinion and i hope admins will read are views on the matter and come up with something to keep everyone happy.

[Umbra]

You might want to seperate the sentences a bit, it is hard to read it this way imo. I dont have an opinion on the subject just wanted to tell you this without sounding like a dick

[Adamar]

The weight nerf was the opposite of perfect, and needs to be reverted as soon as an alternative is found.

[Tzar]

I think archery its fine atm, but yes... Eu1 is bleeding dry because people flee to eu2 from all the range menace...  Dunno if reverting the changes to the none loomed bows would sort it out.
 

The weight nerf was the opposite of perfect, and needs to be reverted as soon as an alternative is found.

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[Grumbs]

I don't really mind looms not giving big bonuses, but I'd likely give them a point of damage more or something at least

The main progression in the game should come from your own personal development as a player though. The skill floor and ceiling could be made higher to facilitate that. Joe newbie should not be randomly headshotting top players for 1 hit or 2 hit kills unless they made some really good shot. As it is now its like rock,paper,scissors with one side playing a low skill FPS game with fps mechanics from the 90's and another playing a separate game. I'd expect way more depth in the shooting mechanics to allow for the one sidedness of this style of pvp

What do we have to work with for ranged skill?

Planning positioning and kiting with movement speed.
Speed of the projectile landing/arc of the shot (how much to judge player movements and distance to target)
Time taken to draw a shot
Damage per shot
Amount of ammo (spamming shots all round and missing and still being able to kite)
Usefulness of helmets/randomness of kills
Usefulness of shields (xbows shooting straight through them, their weight)
How easy it is to multi class/jack of all trade chars

If the devs really wanted to shake things up they could do so without nerfing ranged for the good players. They could increase the skill ceiling by tweaking things like projectile arc or other stuff mentioned, while at the same time increasing the skill floor so joe newbie has to learn the game like everyone else.

The point & click of xbows in particular is just a joke to me when its put alongside all the other things this game has to offer. You see these guys hiding behind trees reloading, then they pop out and fire into a crowd for 1 or 2 hit kills and pop back again. Low risk high reward. It just looks so passive and brainless and yet rewarding for hardly any input from the player.

[Mala]

they all have to die.

[Smoothrich]

I can't fucking stand throwers, they are always overpowered for what they're supposed to do (lol let me kite every  other class while 1 shotting anything that moves with massive ammo stacks, accuracy, damage, speed) . Every other class is fine.

[Adamar]

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[Hirlok]

well yes, my MW bodkins are fecking useless compared to normal ones and I need several arrows for decent players with PD9 and MW longbow/mw bodkins. We desperately need another ranged nerf.

Make low level archery completely useless again, and at least MW arrows of any kind should do 2 damage LESS than normal ones and weight 20 pounds, they are just 10 pounds now...





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[Rumblood]

well yes, my MW bodkins are fecking useless compared to normal ones and I need several arrows for decent players with PD9 and MW longbow/mw bodkins. We desperately need another ranged nerf.

Make low level archery completely useless again, and at least MW arrows of any kind should do 2 damage LESS than normal ones and weight 20 pounds, they are just 10 pounds now...

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[mrrdhardy]

thank you everyone for you opinions been nice to read them, i think some of you have made some good points.

[Malaclypse]

My opinion is that they can launch projectiles from a distance, some of which hit targets and thus deal damage.

[Nightmare798]

nerf

[rufio]

remove the pve ranged stagger, and im fine with ranged.

[Ronin]

The game would be lame and boring without archers.