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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2013, 12:44:04 am »
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I agree to the fact Javelins are just too expensive , they are fine (according to all throwing weapons , but the price really doesn't fit with the effectivness = javelins were used by skirmishers , not by proper warriors , it was cheap , and still effective for the price). Reduce the price by a tierce or more , and you'll see more javelins on the battlefield. Javelins should be like fransiscas imho.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 12:23:57 pm »
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Throwing is a very expenisve hobby for some reason. The cost should be reduced a lot. But adding ammo in any way? I dont agree with this.

 If you are skilled enough and acctually take time to aim your throws then there is enough ammo as far as im concerned(I have a thrower alt I play a lot with). I have seen throwers just randomly running around and just randomly throwing weapons like they dont give a shit from pretty long distances in hopes to get lucky until they run out of ammo, then they come to the forums and complain how they should have more ammo. Seriuslly? Mate if you already threw like 9 things totally randomly at the enemy without aiming and not even hit him once, then I think humanity has failed if they give into your request of giving you more chances on landing easy unplanned hits.

This above wasnt aimed at anybody particular. This is just how some throwers are.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2013, 02:28:25 pm »
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Tiberius.... tsk tsk..

I usually have to use 4 of my 6 mw jarids on one target before it goes down... the only time the shitty low ammo is great, is when you land those headshots. I usually avoid players in over high armor, unless i want to stagger them for my team mates to get a hit in.

But what ever, we been down this road before, and its clear the devs regard throwing as a gimmick class an thus refuse to give it a cookie every once in awhile..

But for god sake just 1 more ammo per throwing weapon would be a little step in the right direction.

I mean.. cmon u get like 40 rounds of bodkin arrows when u carry 2 stacks an when they are masterworked... we get 6 rounds if jarids or most of the other throwing weapons.. or if you use heavy throwing axes u get like 4 - 6 if you carry no shield...

Anyways, donĀ“t think there is any use of trying to ask for it here on the forum, since we throwers are like 3% of the community here in crpg


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« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 02:53:19 pm by Tzar »
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2013, 03:14:03 pm »
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I never said that it is OP. Its deeply underpowered imo. Already cause the precentage of dedicated throwers is as you put it 3. I dunno add its damage output or something. Im just against adding more ammo cause I see what goes on in the field. Most just throw it for lolz and go for luck alone in hopes of hitting something. Not even concentrating or anything. And its still generally a supportclass(sadly ofcourse), cause it only works well if used for a hybridbuild.

 I have gotten hit by your jards man. 40% hp taken from me. Thats pretty solid damageoutput. Considering I am somewhat slightly more str, armor and IF buffed then your average infantryman. I dont think throwing is ment for kill, but for support and weakining. I mean if you fighting someone in melee and a thrower shows up its about as scary as having a cbow standing next to you.
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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2013, 03:31:03 pm »
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I am somewhat slightly more str, armor and IF buffed then your average infantryman.

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Tsk tsk...

Asking for a tiny microscopic ammo buff is clearly impossible with the short sighted mindset of this community...

« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 04:03:15 pm by Tzar »
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2013, 04:05:23 pm »
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Throwing is a very expenisve hobby for some reason. The cost should be reduced a lot. But adding ammo in any way? I dont agree with this.

I disagree with you here. For dedicated throwers the repair cost is about right. At x1 you're going to loose money quickly.. at x/3 you're going to break even.. at x4/5 you will be making money. (for a standard thrower build/equipment. Obviously you can use low tier items and make money at lower multipliers or wear highest tier gear and loose money at higher multipliers, just like any other class.)

I found this to be the same for my melee characters, archery and X-bow.

Throwing is however a very expensive "gimmick" is you want to have it along with your main melee weapon. But this is how it should be to keep it balanced. You should be paying more if you have a two hero sword and a stack or two of throwing weapons. Or if you have a shield and a 1h weapon along with throwing weapons.

If you are skilled enough and acctually take time to aim your throws then there is enough ammo as far as im concerned(I have a thrower alt I play a lot with). I have seen throwers just randomly running around and just randomly throwing weapons like they dont give a shit from pretty long distances in hopes to get lucky until they run out of ammo, then they come to the forums and complain how they should have more ammo. Seriuslly? Mate if you already threw like 9 things totally randomly at the enemy without aiming and not even hit him once, then I think humanity has failed if they give into your request of giving you more chances on landing easy unplanned hits.

This above wasnt aimed at anybody particular. This is just how some throwers are.


Im just against adding more ammo cause I see what goes on in the field. Most just throw it for lolz and go for luck alone in hopes of hitting something. Not even concentrating or anything. And its still generally a supportclass(sadly ofcourse), cause it only works well if used for a hybridbuild.

TBH I don't see what your issue is? You say a lot of throwers just throw "randomly". So what? That just means their not going to get any kills, it's their fault. They will still just run out of ammo very quickly (again, is 3 more really going to change this?).

Besides, normally I'm very conservative with my ammo (if I do throw a whole stack I keep it close together to pick up the misses). Yet the problem still exists at places such as siege where you're defending and there's a constant wave of enemies charging you down. I always run out of ammo, yet the archers and X-bows who have a side weapon still have plenty of ammo and keep firing long after.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2013, 07:55:32 pm »
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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2013, 07:59:51 pm »
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Then 40% my ass... unless u got 0 if  :lol:
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2013, 06:11:32 pm »
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I'd rather see throwers able to pick up their ammo from corpses etc. Not sure if it's realistic at all, but it seems like a nice idea to me (maybe a little OP  :D).

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2013, 06:18:10 pm »
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Yeah if you could pick up ammo off broken shields, dead bodies, bugged textures than this would be completely a non issue.. if anything that would to too much lol

Nothing more annoying than when your (place throwing weapon name here) hits someone milliseconds after they get killed.. completely wasted ammo

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2013, 06:28:13 pm »
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The situation in siege is a bit weird, as defender it's sometimes hard to get ammo but there are easy targets, as attacker you can always die and respawn to refill but there are fewer targets.


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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2013, 06:37:44 pm »
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Have a friend bring a construction site and make a weapon rack in a defendable area such as the flag. Then you can refill.
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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2013, 07:17:19 pm »
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was playing on my thrower alt last night, MW jarids are fine, but slightly annoying with the low ammo, i 1-2 hit people with 8 PT, Throwing is fine as it ables people to do good dmg but limits it to enough on the battlefield
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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2013, 07:41:30 pm »
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The situation in siege is a bit weird, as defender it's sometimes hard to get ammo but there are easy targets, as attacker you can always die and respawn to refill but there are fewer targets.

Exactly.. Defender chuck em down a ladder or something... can't pick up any missed one. Screwed!
Attacker run out and have to suicide to get more.. (for pure throwers, hybirds can melee..)

was playing on my thrower alt last night, MW jarids are fine, but slightly annoying with the low ammo, i 1-2 hit people with 8 PT, Throwing is fine as it ables people to do good dmg but limits it to enough on the battlefield

What game mode? If siege attacking or defending? What map?

Have a friend bring a construction site and make a weapon rack in a defendable area such as the flag. Then you can refill.

Maybe there should be working weapon racks built into siege maps..

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Re: Throwing Ammo (dedicated throwers)
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2013, 11:37:43 am »
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I play a thrower - I dont have the feeling that I dont have enough ammo. I play with mw heavy throwing axes and just keep the last one for melee or pick up something else during battle. It seems to me that more people are playing thrower so I just pick up anything that lands near me and throw it back.