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I really find discussing mythologies invented by shepherds who lived thousands of years ago and knew next to nothing about the world borderline ridiculous. Previous posting in this thread was probably a huge mistake, now manchildren trying to convince that their fairy tales are real will pop up in my 'new posts' box till the end of time.

Actually this thread is much more interesting than that.

How do dinosaur bones test my faith?

I think chadz meant that the age of fossils means the earth cannot have been created around 6000 years ago but is much older. We go back to what I was saying about contradictions between science and Christian beliefs.

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Actually this thread is much more interesting than that.

I think chadz meant that the age of fossils means the earth cannot have been created around 6000 years ago but is much older. We go back to what I was saying about contradictions between science and Christian beliefs.

Quotations required on so called "Christian beliefs", otherwise i have to guess what you and chadz mean.
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My mistake then - I assumed the fact that Dinosaurs lived Millions of years in the past, while humans are only 40k-ish years old, contradicts with genesis that claims the earth was created 6k years ago and dinosaurs and humans were created in the same week - and somehow the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs spared the humans.

The reason I asked is I had a gf many years ago that was a seven-day-adventist or something and she told me that with the dinosaur bones and how it's testing her faith. She told me that dinosaurs never existed, they were merely hidden by god as a test.

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My mistake then - I assumed the fact that Dinosaurs lived Millions of years in the past, while humans are only 40k-ish years old, contradicts with genesis that claims the earth was created 6k years ago and dinosaurs and humans were created in the same week - and somehow the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs spared the humans.

The reason I asked is I had a gf many years ago that was a seven-day-adventist or something and she told me that with the dinosaur bones and how it's testing her faith. She told me that dinosaurs never existed, they were merely hidden by god as a test.

Is there a question hidden here? What would you like to know about my faith friend?
Funny story about your gf... did your relationship end when you took her to get a mental health exam?
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Yeah, it ended rather quickly after that :lol:
Also, she got super angry when I read into her religion and knew more about it than she did. Fun stuff.

just one more odd question, sorry for being so interrogating:

Whats your opinion about the death sentence? Are you for it or against it?


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just one more odd question, sorry for being so interrogating:

Whats your opinion about the death sentence? Are you for it or against it?

This is a secular question, I'm neither for it nor I against it... I do not oppose it, and I respect the laws of the land as they are. If my State decides to put a moratorium on capital punishment I will not oppose it either.
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Do you believe dinosaur bones were put on earth by god to test your faith?

How do dinosaur bones test my faith?

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Quote from: Bill Hicks
You ever noticed how people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? You ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. "I believe God created me in one day" Yeah, looks like He rushed it.

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Listening to a creationist scientist can be really disturbing:
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Listening to a creationist scientist can be really disturbing:

1 in 500 Americans? My ass.
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But, that was semi plausable. Everything rotates, and orbits, so the theory that the Earth was the Center was plausible if one just looked up. But if one actually took a telescope and measured, it was a different story then.

No (what follows is a ton of smartassery and my personal view of history, I'm sorry, but I find it very interesting). This matter has been often greatly confused. The single most defining characteristic of astronomical movement is caused by the revolution of the earth around itself (which is for some reason always forgotten  :lol: ). This happens in a day, while the earth moving around the sun takes a year. The latter (and planetary movements) cause "barely" noticeable disturbances in the "perfect" circles the former creates. All the data gathered is pretty much compatible with the Earth (or anything you'd want to pick) as the center of the universe (this is just a question of mathematical transformations).
Anyway, people first believed all celestial bodies made circles around the earth - this was perfect scientific practice, as it was simple and it described what you saw. But as they discovered more data it became clear it wasn't so and people developed (more and more complex) systems which involve circles inside circles to accurately describe the movements (this is what those complicated machines that wizards generally have standing around are for). Gathering the data wasn't a matter of just looking or the right equipment. It was about constantly tracking planetary movement for many centuries, passing the data down over generations (and possibly building stonehenges), etc. People did that way before modern science was started, astronomy is an unbroken tradition going back to ancient babylonians and maybe even further.
What happened is when Kepler and Newton came along, they took all the piled up data and managed to create a simple system describing it by having everything move sort of elliptically around the sun. Newton further integrated astronomy with physics on the earth. These theories are the reason for modern heliozentrism.

Anyway, what's really interesting about this, is why did people do it. It had no practical application. Like building pyramids or giant cathedrals. While insights gained from it were sometimes also useful (star navigation or statics f.e.) it was on a down to earth basis with little reasonable justification for all the extra effort. Which was paid for by exploitation of slaves and peasants. But then modern science arose from it. Then it became useful and we started building computers and satellites.
Perhaps it would have come anyway, I don't know. But historically it was founded upon all the impractical bullshit people did in the past. We are still doing it today. I mean what's the point of spending billions just to watch distant stars? But perhaps now the idea that some day it will come useful is enough.

In the end I think, it is really just this. Both science and religion arise from something unreasonable. In both cases you'll just have to accept unfounded principles. You don't really have to belief them. That's pretty much clear for science, but it's also not unimaginable for an atheists to be a priest (maybe he thinks its psychologically better for people to believe etc.). But in the end you need, I don't know, hope, that they (and what you are doing) fundamentally makes sense. In the end discussing about whether to believe is pointless, it is better to try to get whatever you ascribe to as clear and good as possible.

Also, science is still better.

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I think most people, including christians, agree that the bible is not the word of god, but a book with stories written by a few guys. But is that a problem? That doesn't mean that god does not exist.
If someone believes that they are not a Christian. Also The Bible is open to interpretation, so yes it can change(reference to tasers post from a few pages back). If anyone says they understand 100% of what the bible says and they know they are right they are wrong.
My mistake then - I assumed the fact that Dinosaurs lived Millions of years in the past, while humans are only 40k-ish years old, contradicts with genesis that claims the earth was created 6k years ago and dinosaurs and humans were created in the same week - and somehow the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs spared the humans.

The reason I asked is I had a gf many years ago that was a seven-day-adventist or something and she told me that with the dinosaur bones and how it's testing her faith. She told me that dinosaurs never existed, they were merely hidden by god as a test.
That belief in a literal 7 days(and the calculation to 6k years or whatever it is) was made popular by ONE man(and then aparently held to the rest of Christians). I believe in evolution and I believe in God, do some other Christians disagree with me? yes, do some agree with me? Absolutely. I am an old earth creationist. But again that is my view.
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If someone believes that they are not a Christian. Also The Bible is open to interpretation, so yes it can change(reference to tasers post from a few pages back). If anyone says they understand 100% of what the bible says and they know they are right they are wrong.

My post? Did you respond to it? I haven't checked this thread for a while.

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That belief in a literal 7 days(and the calculation to 6k years or whatever it is) was made popular by ONE man(and then aparently held to the rest of Christians). I believe in evolution and I believe in God, do some other Christians disagree with me? yes, do some agree with me? Absolutely. I am an old earth creationist. But again that is my view.

This is true. The whole 6 or 7k year old earth idea was from a guy who supposedly added up the years of people in the bible. One of the lines of david or something. I don't remember precisely but its basically a guy who added up people's ages and said this means that's how old the earth is! Meh. Its not worth considering since that's all its based on. The bible itself doesn't say anything about the age of the earth beyond what someone read into it.
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If someone believes that they are not a Christian.

There is one criteria to being a Christian and that is believing that Jesus was the son of God sent here to die for our sins. All else is open game.
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Yeah, it ended rather quickly after that :lol:
Also, she got super angry when I read into her religion and knew more about it than she did. Fun stuff.

just one more odd question, sorry for being so interrogating:

Whats your opinion about the death sentence? Are you for it or against it?

As someone who practices law, and exerts it upon others.  I am strongly for it.  Though our law system is incredibly flawed, and will never be changed nor perfect with its terrible loop holes, and awful imprisonment/correction facilities(which in my opinion do nothing to these people but temporarily house them, waste money, and force us to continue building more), though i believe my opinion on the matter is quite jaded by the people i must interact with, since 90% of the time they are the shit stains of our community.