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thank you for this, i hope they will drop this religious bs now...
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Actually, that was a question that came up under Einsteins changes to Physics. Before hand, if we had lost the suns gravity(IE the sun blew up, dissappeared, whatever), Newton said it was instantaneous that Gravity would be lost, but light would still be here for the 8 minutes of time it would be left coming.

But, Einstein changed that by stating that the effect of gravity can be measured by light. IE: Light was the intergalatic speed limit and nothing can happen faster than the speed of light.

SO: If the sun disappeared today, the same time we lost it's light would be the same time we lost it's gravitation in the solar system.
Just what Kafien said. Modern Physics changed the way we thought of gravity. I mean, it makes LOGICAL sense now, but at the time it was perfectly valid. One reason science is so nice. It tries to improve upon every existing facet it can.

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I am not sure on this and too lazy to google for it but iirc the speed of light isn't constant (that's proven by now afaik) and there is actually something faster than light - in theory that is but it's all theory after all anyway. Some CERN experiment or something... I've read an article but don't remember when/where...

Just as a side note.

Oh, and one thing that came to my mind right now actually:
The Christian church was prosecuting people when they said the Earth turns around the Sun, is not flat and all that. That's a specific point where I, as a person of science, am actually jealous about the Islam and the Koran. There are actually several verses and passages where it says something along the line "A good Muslim cherishes the pursuit for knowledge and discovery of nature and it's laws." Something like that, don't quote me on it, you get the idea.
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Just a quick smartass comment: People believing that the earth is flat is actually just a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography

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I am not sure on this and too lazy to google for it but iirc the speed of light isn't constant (that's proven by now afaik) and there is actually something faster than light - in theory that is but it's all theory after all anyway. Some CERN experiment or something... I've read an article but don't remember when/where...

Just as a side note.

Oh, and one thing that came to my mind right now actually:
The Christian church was prosecuting people when they said the Earth turns around the Sun, is not flat and all that. That's a specific point where I, as a person of science, am actually jealous about the Islam and the Koran. There are actually several verses and passages where it says something along the line "A good Muslim cherishes the pursuit for knowledge and discovery of nature and it's laws." Something like that, don't quote me on it, you get the idea.

You should! It's a neat story about the change to the laws of Gravity. More of a mathematical change to the way we view it, rather than a straight change. The physics of Modern Graitavition (the math) is significantly different than Newtons. That's why we now have Newtonian Physics and Physics, to show that there has been changes made, though not severe changes.

Just a quick smartass comment: People believing that the earth is flat is actually just a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography

Haven't even paid attention to the flat earth people. Who's been spouting that non-sense?
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Just a quick smartass comment: People believing that the earth is flat is actually just a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography
The Sun around the Earth part is true tho :P and nobody likes smartasses - just saying :wink:

Doesn't change my point tho (and it doesn't really matter for which reason people were burned) :D
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The Sun around the Earth part is true tho :P and nobody likes smartasses - just saying :wink:

Doesn't change my point tho (and it doesn't really matter for which reason people were burned) :D

But, that was semi plausable. Everything rotates, and orbits, so the theory that the Earth was the Center was plausible if one just looked up. But if one actually took a telescope and measured, it was a different story then.

Similar, really, to all the climate change stuff.
Does it happen? Yea. What is the cause: (Debate is primarily here)
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Just a quick smartass comment: People believing that the earth is flat is actually just a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography

and you actually found out just now?
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Not going into the climate stuff cuz that would be off-topic  :mrgreen: (Just saying... I don't believe even 30% of statistics published. Doesn't even matter by whom. There is so much bullshit floating around... anyway... :P)

I was actually mainly after the Koran thing with the pursuit of Knowledge. Guess the order of that post was crap...
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Yaro, the point is this:

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I think most people, including christians, agree that the bible is not the word of god, but a book with stories written by a few guys. But is that a problem? That doesn't mean that god does not exist.


Edit: now that I think of it - when you mean your churches teachings did not change - does that mean you take the bible literally? Creation of the world in 7 days, noahs ark, etc...?

I'd like Yaro to give us a definitive version on that.

What I think he means is that the Bible is full of abstract teachings about how to lead a good life, and is not a historical chronicle even when it looks like one (which is far from being the case all the time anyway). That I can almost agree with. Almost because there's also a lot of bullshit (e.g. no homosexuality).


But, that was semi plausable. Everything rotates, and orbits, so the theory that the Earth was the Center was plausible if one just looked up. But if one actually took a telescope and measured, it was a different story then.

Similar, really, to all the climate change stuff.
Does it happen? Yea. What is the cause: (Debate is primarily here)

I'd say the reason there's (has been ? it's the economy now) a "debate" in the public sphere about climate change is because almost everything that has been said about it is bullshit, one way or the other.


Just a quick smartass comment: People believing that the earth is flat is actually just a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography

I guess people did believe in ocean monsters then because otherwise there would be no reason not to try and explore that shit. Or maybe sea travel was indeed dangerous enough, this seems more likely.

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I think most people, including christians, agree that the bible is not the word of god, but a book with stories written by a few guys. But is that a problem? That doesn't mean that god does not exist.


Edit: now that I think of it - when you mean your churches teachings did not change - does that mean you take the bible literally? Creation of the world in 7 days, noahs ark, etc...?

If a Christian says that the Bible is not the word of God, I'm sorry but he is not a Christian, if Orthodox Christian says that the Bible is not the word of God, he is a subject to excommunication. I don't see a problem with opinions, however, if you ask me a direct question I'll tell you a direct answer.

Yes, I take the Bible literally, however, i would be careful about drawing any conclusions... ask specific questions and afterwards form your opinions.
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If a Christian says that the Bible is not the word of God, I'm sorry but he is not a Christian, if Orthodox Christian says that the Bible is not the word of God, he is a subject to excommunication. I don't see a problem with opinions, however, if you ask me a direct question I'll tell you a direct answer.

Yes, I take the Bible literally, however, i would be careful about drawing any conclusions... ask specific questions and afterwards form your opinions.

So you do believe the Genesis is an exact historical account ?

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an other quote of you:"Not a single thing that I have posted here is my opinion, but the official position of the Church."

Is this your thing or a thing your church requires to not think yourselve and come to your own conclusion.
I find it very dangerousonly to repeat what an authority says instead of questioning it first. and if you find they are right you can bring it to the word as your opinion as well.

You can THINK of course... doubt... question... but once you believe and professed the following:
I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of
heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of
God, begotten of the Father before all ages;

Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten,
not created, of one essence with the Father
through Whom all things were made.

Who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven and was incarnate
of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.

He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered and was buried;

And He rose on the third day,
according to the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father;

And He will come again with glory to judge the living
and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life,
Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the
Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who
spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the age to come.

Amen.

... what other opinion can you have?

I don't repeat what authority says, I repeat what i believe in. Is that really too hard to understand?

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So you do believe the Genesis is an exact historical account ?
Yes.
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Do you believe dinosaur bones were put on earth by god to test your faith?

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Do you believe dinosaur bones were put on earth by god to test your faith?

How do dinosaur bones test my faith?
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I really find discussing mythologies invented by shepherds who lived thousands of years ago and knew next to nothing about the world borderline ridiculous. Previous posting in this thread was probably a huge mistake, now manchildren trying to convince that their fairy tales are real will pop up in my 'new posts' box till the end of time.

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