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I think everybody who ever used the internet is tired of these godargumets. All the years the internet has shaped me I have the perfect argument to win every religious debate:
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As you say "God-arguments" can be shut down pretty quickly.

It either exists, or it doesn't. Our beliefs don't matter because they can't change this, doesn't matter how many people 'believe' in it, it's worthless.
So is the constant denying of it, it's the same thing but from a reversed perspective.

Organized Religion should be put on it's own bookshelf to collect dust, standing as a prime example for early mass control.
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I think everybody who ever used the internet is tired of these godargumets. All the years the internet has shaped me I have the perfect argument to win every religious debate:
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Huehuehue.

Its always more interesting though when you talk to someone that disagrees with you but knows wtf they're talking about. Then its more than "Atheists r stoopid 4 nt beliefing." "No you guise belief in sky god." Then everyone circle jerks.
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Taser I really have no clue how morality would exist if not for religion.  I'm assuming people who are raised by non-religious parents are taught morality.  I think it's part nature and nurture.  People have guilt when they do something wrong.  We weren't taught about life/death as young kids, and the first time my brother killed a duck with a rock we felt fucking horrible and miserable to have witnessed such a terrible act.  I think as you age and become more mature, you are able to discern right from wrong.

I think it's a pretty much black and white thing (right vs wrong) in some circumstances.  If it doesn't effect anyone else, and isn't harming anyone else, than you're good to go.  Once you start affecting other people, is where the grey area comes into effect. 

I don't know the word for it, but there's a philosophy about passing your genes on, where you will risk your life for the protection of your kin (or otherwise people who are close to your genetic makeup) in order to have the genome passed on. 

I think religion was important for helping people become more civilized, but I think that it's usefulness in the 21st century is not as important.  If you want to believe in fairy tales, that's your choice, but it shouldn't be used to dictate what other people can and cannot do. 

I feel like a walking contradiction in this post, because I want to also state that "morality" laws are fucking dumb and should be abolished (at least the ones where nobody is hurt or affected negatively, except the people choosing to participate).  So maybe "morals" and "morality" is a vague term.
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Taser I really have no clue how morality would exist if not for religion.  I'm assuming people who are raised by non-religious parents are taught morality.  I think it's part nature and nurture.  People have guilt when they do something wrong.  We weren't taught about life/death as young kids, and the first time my brother killed a duck with a rock we felt fucking horrible and miserable to have witnessed such a terrible act.  I think as you age and become more mature, you are able to discern right from wrong.

I think it's a pretty much black and white thing (right vs wrong) in some circumstances.  If it doesn't effect anyone else, and isn't harming anyone else, than you're good to go.  Once you start affecting other people, is where the grey area comes into effect. 

I don't know the word for it, but there's a philosophy about passing your genes on, where you will risk your life for the protection of your kin (or otherwise people who are close to your genetic makeup) in order to have the genome passed on. 

I think religion was important for helping people become more civilized, but I think that it's usefulness in the 21st century is not as important.  If you want to believe in fairy tales, that's your choice, but it shouldn't be used to dictate what other people can and cannot do. 

I feel like a walking contradiction in this post, because I want to also state that "morality" laws are fucking dumb and should be abolished (at least the ones where nobody is hurt or affected negatively, except the people choosing to participate).  So maybe "morals" and "morality" is a vague term.

Well I'm not picking on you here. I was just curious.

I'm of the idea that morality as we know it doesn't exist except in emotional responses. Thus morality is just emotional responses to situations and events. Thus morality truly doesn't exist as we know it.

You could say its still morality but I wouldn't say so. Because morality goes off on "This is right. This is wrong." If I am right then its not whether something is right or wrong but just how it makes you feel. Thus if you dislike something, you get the feeling its wrong as your brain tries to interpret it.
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How did we go from arguing about God, to internet tough guy, to arguing about the origin of morality?

Get back to the internet tough guy stuff, that was fucking hilarious.

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Get back to the internet tough guy stuff, that was fucking hilarious.

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Well I'm not picking on you here. I was just curious.

I'm of the idea that morality as we know it doesn't exist except in emotional responses. Thus morality is just emotional responses to situations and events. Thus morality truly doesn't exist as we know it.

You could say its still morality but I wouldn't say so. Because morality goes off on "This is right. This is wrong." If I am right then its not whether something is right or wrong but just how it makes you feel. Thus if you dislike something, you get the feeling its wrong as your brain tries to interpret it.

I'd agree with you there.  As given in the example of my brother and I throwing rocks at ducks and not realizing what we were doing was wrong until the visceral response we felt to the outcome of our actions.

I like the idea of not fucking someone over if given the chance, not because of consequences (either with laws or promises of wonderful places when you die, or of Santa not giving you a present), but because people choose not to be a jerk.

But I have no idea if we act morally due to avoiding artificial consequences (such as going to hell, not getting a present, or getting arrested), or if there were no "artificial" consequences, if we'd always fuck over our neighbor if we felt there was no possible way for it to come back to hurt us. 

That being said, if Yaro wants to come at me online, I'll fight him in game.  Any time, any place.
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How did we go from arguing about God, to internet tough guy, to arguing about the origin of morality?

Get back to the internet tough guy stuff, that was fucking hilarious.

The other guy gave up. No one else for Huseby to be internet tough guy to.

I'd agree with you there.  As given in the example of my brother and I throwing rocks at ducks and not realizing what we were doing was wrong until the visceral response we felt to the outcome of our actions.

I like the idea of not fucking someone over if given the chance, not because of consequences (either with laws or promises of wonderful places when you die, or of Santa not giving you a present), but because people choose not to be a jerk.

Hard to say whether it's the former or latter, having grown up in a highly structured society with laws and consequences (as well as all the other pressures, such as Santa not giving you a present). 

That being said, if Yaro wants to come at me online, I'll fight him in game.  Any time, any place.

I go with that idea based on the fact that it seems to make sense and that I haven't really found anything else I agree with that doesn't have flaws. There are plenty of others out there.

Also.. in for Yaro vs Huseby online fight.
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If I lose ( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:) I'll recant my statements and declare him the superior gentleman. 

Also edited my last post about 3 times, so Taser's quote is old :P
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The other guy gave up. No one else for Huseby to be internet tough guy to.

Nah Huseby wasn't the internet tough guy. It's the heavyweight champ Yaro.

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I'm an internet bully, not an internet tough guy, I'm not going to fight someone IRL because they can't handle being mocked.
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Nah Huseby wasn't the internet tough guy. It's the heavyweight champ Yaro.

He uses hax. Has God as tag team partner.
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It's always those assholes that did some sort of martial art and they're so eager to use it. The funny thing is they think it's a fair fight, fighting someone who has no training versus their years.

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I've been shooting up dudes in da video games since i was like, 6, so what level of hell am I going to?
You are a horrible human being clockwork.

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