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Slight Rework of Longsword?
« on: July 15, 2013, 06:09:00 pm »
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I know many see the LS as OP currently, especially with the recent speed/dmg buff.  I agree the latest speed buff may not have been necessary and have a suggestion to return it to its former speed (or slower) with a compromise of increasing its length slightly in return. 

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Current LS stats are:
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 99
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut
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:arrow: I would propose to REDUCE its speed back to 98 base, while increasing its length to 108 (and possibly increase it's weight slightly because of that)

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Making its new stats as follows:
weapon length: 108
weight: 1.9 (2.0?)
difficulty: 10 (11?)
speed rating: 98
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut
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This would make it more of a middle ground between the HBS and Two Handed Sword.
And it would fit its LONGsword title more :)

Also, possibly could lose it's use as a 1h if it gained more length.

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Please resist "LS OP EZ MODE" comments, as a compromise of it's speed in exchange for length is what is being suggested  :)
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 06:13:22 pm »
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I agree the LOngsowrd is OP, but just reverse it back to how it was, it was good weapon then, but is now ridiculously OP.
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 06:15:14 pm »
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I feel its damage fills a proper gap between the HBS and 2H Sword currently, although speed and length wise it is too close to the HBS.

Aside from reverting it back to where it was, do you think what I have suggested is a good proposition or not?  Not just from a "nerf LS!!!!" standpoint, but in a balancing standpoint in general?
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 06:19:42 pm »
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Currently i am playing 2h cav, a buff to the length would be nice for the longsword as atm it is being outreached by most 1h cav. It is a good suggestion and would be a slight buff the 2h cav which is needed
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 06:51:19 pm »
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Currently i am playing 2h cav, a buff to the length would be nice for the longsword as atm it is being outreached by most 1h cav. It is a good suggestion and would be a slight buff the 2h cav which is needed

How is 1h cav outreaching you? Longsword is 1 point longer than the longest 1h sword available.

They also use the exact same animation on horseback.

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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 09:05:19 am »
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How is 1h cav outreaching you? Longsword is 1 point longer than the longest 1h sword available.

They also use the exact same animation on horseback.
This times a million.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 10:55:12 am »
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How is 1h cav outreaching you? Longsword is 1 point longer than the longest 1h sword available.

They also use the exact same animation on horseback.

I have only played 2h cav for a short while, but every time i come into contact with a 1h cav with a arabian cav sword, it seems to outreach me, maybe this is my problem and i suck at 2h cav, but with healthy scores i believe im not that bad, Maybe its the ghost range ( does it exist?)of the 1h but thats the opinion that i feel while playing 2h cav.

Plus anyway 1h cav is 10x better than 2h cav
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 04:15:35 pm »
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I have only played 2h cav for a short while, but every time i come into contact with a 1h cav with a arabian cav sword, it seems to outreach me, maybe this is my problem and i suck at 2h cav, but with healthy scores i believe im not that bad, Maybe its the ghost range ( does it exist?)of the 1h but thats the opinion that i feel while playing 2h cav.

Plus anyway 1h cav is 10x better than 2h cav
1 point longer 3 times slower, and no shield,
2h cav is joke as long you don't use  g axe and similar weapon, morningstar is cool but kind of short

2h cav need some love and it is:

Bar Mace
Long Iron Mace
Dadao
Two Handed Sword

miadao is way to op so i will not sugest that

Highland Claymore

Now my argumentation:

1h cav 1hit a lot and is really fast, probably with no reduction to dmg at all

that weapons are slow by default and in most cases unbalanced, they should be all unbalanced with that big swords ect.

at the moment we have

Shortened Military Scythe
weapon length: 112
weight: 2.2
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 90
weapon length: 112
thrust damage: 27 pierce
swing damage: 39 cut
slots: 2

usable from the horse back, really god for that shit on foot but also cheap(balanced)

that weapons can be balanced for that kind of fight
because they are slow + 2h cav penalty and no shield= eazzy job for nage to counter, all that stuffs are balanced with reach and dmg

ofc it is only idea but i think that shuld not break the game
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 04:17:21 pm »
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I have only played 2h cav for a short while, but every time i come into contact with a 1h cav with a arabian cav sword, it seems to outreach me, maybe this is my problem and i suck at 2h cav, but with healthy scores i believe im not that bad, Maybe its the ghost range ( does it exist?)of the 1h but thats the opinion that i feel while playing 2h cav.

Plus anyway 1h cav is 10x better than 2h cav

not ghost range, simply being inexperienced in dealing with other cavalry.
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 04:20:56 pm »
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not ghost range, simply being inexperienced in dealing with other cavalry.

But tell me this, would you pick 2h cav or 1h cav?
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 04:23:41 pm »
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1h cav because the shield is ridiculously important, my favorite thing about playing archer/xbow is how easy it is to shoot cavalry coming at you without a shield
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 04:27:17 pm »
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you can get a shield as 2h cav or does that make it into 1h?
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 04:32:17 pm »
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it will use 1 h wpf
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 04:50:08 pm »
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besides it's slow as fuck.
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Re: Slight Rework of Longsword?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 04:55:02 pm »
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But do you believe that the 1 reach the longsword has over the arab cav sword is enough to make it easy to outrange 1h cav?

Considering 1h cav is a much easier and better class
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