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Offline Kevin.G

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Military Hammer
weapon length: 80
weight: 2.3
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 94
weapon length: 80
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 28 blunt
slots: 1
Knockdown
Secondary Mode
price:6536
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Military Cleaver
weapon length: 92
weight: 2.2
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 96
weapon length: 92
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 1
price:5655

compare with the Military Cleaver, the Military Hammer is shorter, slower, heavier,less damage(don't tell me 35cut is less than 28 blunt or pierce), and after 3looms, it's speed does not increase, and the weight become heavier, only the Knockdown is better, which is barely happen.
so, as the topic, why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver? THX for your answer.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2013, 07:20:29 pm by Kevin.G »

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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 07:20:18 pm »
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Does more damage (yes it does to heavy armor)
And most important its knockdown. knockdown beign a free second hit.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 07:22:06 pm »
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It does more consistant damage and has a good knockdown chance depending on your build and other stuff.
The price is justified.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 07:24:35 pm »
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how heavy armor can make the 35 cut damage less than 28 blunt?

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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 07:28:45 pm »
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Knockdown gives one free hit :D
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 07:34:41 pm »
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the Military Hammer is ... heavier ... and after 3looms ... the weight become heavier.

More weight is good for melee weapons, especially those with knockdown. If your melee weapon weighs more, you have less of a chance to get stuck recovering after you swing into an enemy block. The extra weight of a melee weapon is small enough that it doesn't really slow down your running speed that much. The formula that gives you a % chance of knockdown uses the weapon weight, so a heavier weapon will knock down a target more often.

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less damage(don't tell me 35cut is less than 28 blunt or pierce)

35 cut is less than 28 blunt or pierce when you are facing targets with a lot of armor. Sorry! Cut damage is reduced against heavy armor. Blunt and pierce damage almost completely ignore armor value. Cut is better against lower armor targets though, since cut weapons generally do more damage to start with.

I like both weapons and I think their pricing is fair.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 07:39:51 pm »
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only the Knockdown is better, which is barely happen.

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less damage(don't tell me 35cut is less than 28 blunt or pierce)

Against really heavy armors (around 70 and more body armor) cut weapons don't work. I have 9 PS and arabian cavalry sword with 36 cut dmg glances quite a lot in strat battles against guys with mw milanese plate and gauntlets.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 07:49:46 pm »
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I love the military cleaver and have one mw'd. But don't tell me that the military cleaver is better than the military hammer vs heavily armored opponents. I have married a military cleaver and in strat battles I always use pierce or blunt weapons before I touch any cut weapon even if the military cleaver is there.

And the knockdown barely occurs? Hah.

Try out a mw military cleaver and a mw military hammer and see which one you really like better. I'd daresay you'd be just fine with the military hammer.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 08:10:27 pm »
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only the Knockdown is better, which is barely happen.
it happens every 1 in 3 hits or something very often tbh.
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 08:15:30 pm »
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my two fav 1h weapons!!!!!!!!!!!
hammer have great blunt dmg and cleaver is great against anyone except cans
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2013, 09:04:47 pm »
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mcleaver is weird. great stats but always seems like an awkward weapon when I use it.

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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2013, 09:05:53 pm »
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mcleaver is weird. great stats but always seems like an awkward weapon when I use it.

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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 09:18:19 pm »
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op weapon with op knockdown

knock a shit out of the knockdown in that game!
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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 09:25:51 pm »
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Knockdown matters, but the cleaver is definitely better for fighting the fastest players.

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Re: why the Military Hammer is expensiver than Military Cleaver?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 09:40:58 pm »
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the military hammer is balanced : quite long , high damages to armors, and decent speed . Explains its price !