Was charged $240 for a 15 min dr visit...

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I think im good. Nobody cant find mine even on the fucking map.

On a more serius note. This is more your thang. Being unemployed(no healthcare) and sitting ass down with the doctor for 15 minutes costs like 30€ here.

You're so small you'll all probably get blown apart when we for some reason nuke Poland though.

[Darkkarma]

Love it when you dare say something "bad" about america they instantly attack you with - airstrikes.

Funny.

You got two -1's; one from someone who is a European player if i'm not mistaken?

That dramaturge forum title is shining really bright.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

You got two -1's; one from someone who is a European player if i'm not mistaken?

You are, and I'm very offended, I'm gonna sue you.

[Leshma]

Free (it's not really free, ya know) healthcare is cool but when you're seriously ill, you still have to go to murican doctors and they'll take all your money just to try to cure you (they probably won't be able but it's your best chance). Similar can be said for russian doctors but they ask for a little bit less money.

I truly believe that in our society certain professions should be more about helping people, not amassing huge chunks of money. That goes for doctors, politicians, scientists, professors and others whose job is to make life better for all of us. Sadly, nowadays it's completely the opposite.

[Wiltzu]

I'm more concerned about the kind of money one has to pay to get proper education. Which in turn forces young doctors to be hugely in dept, on top of all the costly equipment they often need.

Education in Finland: Free. Healtcare in Finland: pretty much free.

Our education is very good, also our school system has been said multiple times to be the best in the world.

When I was in high school/upper secondary (lukio) I actually got 38e per month for being there. It's a lot higher when you go to university for example.

[Grumpy_Nic]

I pay nothing for healthcare, once a year I get an oversight of how much I cost my insurance but at the top of the page it says in big bold letters:

"You dont have to pay any of this, this is just for information."

Austria - a nice place to get sick in.

Also we got chadz

Also we are allowed to lock our daughters in basements until they are 30 years old

[Leshma]

When I was in high school/upper secondary (lukio) I actually got 38e per month for being there. It's a lot higher when you go to university for example.

Wtf?

I hope you're going to university as well.

[Torben]

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I had insurance at the time I visited the doctor, but they only step in once I hit $500 spent out of pocket.  I literally sat down for 15 minutes with the doctor, we talked and then he prescribed a prescription for me.

I got the bill and minus $33 the insurance company was able to "haggle" for me (so they took off $33) and the $20 co-pay, I end up owing $190 for a 15 minute chat with the doctor.

Is that normal for anyone else who lives in North America?  That seems really fucking crazy to me...going to call and bitch to them during my lunch today, but I already know it's not going to go anywhere, so I'll just end up telling them to get fucked and I'll take my business somewhere else.

to put things into perspective,  running a doctors office costs the doc dependng on type from 200 bucks upward (average dentist office in germany costs the doc 350 euros an hour)
on the 190 bucks he pays what,  45% taxes?  leaves him with bout 100 bucks.  then he has about 20% of patients he looses money on (at least in germany),  and bam,  there we go.  he just barely made money on you.

[Kafein]

Free (it's not really free, ya know) healthcare is cool but when you're seriously ill, you still have to go to murican doctors and they'll take all your money just to try to cure you (they probably won't be able but it's your best chance). Similar can be said for russian doctors but they ask for a little bit less money.

I truly believe that in our society certain professions should be more about helping people, not amassing huge chunks of money. That goes for doctors, politicians, scientists, professors and others whose job is to make life better for all of us. Sadly, nowadays it's completely the opposite.

I would personally say that in many countries scientists, professors and doctors (etc.) employed by public services are so underpaid, they are bound to the most altruistic people in the world, knowing what they would get if they were working for someone that paid proportionally to their skills.

Education in Finland: Free. Healtcare in Finland: pretty much free.

Our education is very good, also our school system has been said multiple times to be the best in the world.

When I was in high school/upper secondary (lukio) I actually got 38e per month for being there. It's a lot higher when you go to university for example.

Maybe paying students before university is an overshoot, but to me free education is a sound long term development strategy, as long as a decent part of the people you educate stay in the country. Healthcare is slightly different since like other direct social services it generates an immigration-fueled deficit.

[Torben]

nm

[Leshma]

We used to have free education, now prices are outrageous compared to average income. Worst thing is, nothing changed for the better.

Some state universities ask 4000 euros per year. Doesn't seem much by USA standards but take in consideration that average monthly pay is around 400 euros. Those schools are state schools, which means no campus, no free books, only thing you're getting in return is right to take courses. At least, when you're paying silly amounts of money for Stanford you have certain future after you finish it. By finishing these schools you have nothing, we don't even regular have practice as part of our courses.

University professors are underpaid, but they do other jobs, that aren't related to university and those are paid very well. Also, each of them is part of some political power and has 10 or more salaries because they are part of countless boards of directors.

Teachers are mostly people who couldn't get any other job and their knowledge is very limited. They are often frustrated because of their average salaries and in many cases are alcoholic.

Just be happy that you're living in country that actually works.

[Kafein]

We used to have free education, now prices are outrageous compared to average income. Worst thing is, nothing changed for the better.

Some state universities ask 4000 euros per year. Doesn't seem much by USA standards but take in consideration that average monthly pay is around 400 euros. Those schools are state schools, which means no campus, no free books, only thing you're getting in return is right to take courses. At least, when you're paying silly amounts of money for Stanford you have certain future after you finish it. By finishing these schools you have nothing, we don't even regular have practice as part of our courses.

University professors are underpaid, but they do other jobs, that aren't related to university and those are paid very well. Also, each of them is part of some political power and has 10 or more salaries because they are part of countless boards of directors.

Teachers are mostly people who couldn't get any other job and their knowledge is very limited. They are often frustrated because of their average salaries and in many cases are alcoholic.

Just be happy that you're living in country that actually works.

Wait I'm confused now, your universities do no research ? We also got a few professors that are not researchers and usually do it part-time.

[Leshma]

Of course not. If you ever hear about some well known scientist that happens to be from Serbia/Bosnia, you can be sure he did it all by himself, pushing his abilities to the limits. University professors either work for companies owned by the state, but those are usually some money laundering schemes or for private (foreign) companies.

But real research, simply doesn't happen. There's never money for that.

There are hard working students, but since they can't do research in Serbia they usually take offers from foreign states and companies and never come back.

[Corwin]

Don't forget, socialism is EVIL. Who would want such dreadful things like free health care, free education, protection of working people etc?

[Kafein]

Don't forget, socialism is EVIL. Who would want such dreadful things like free health care, free education, protection of working people etc?

There are significant economic and sociologic differences between those things.