Long Bow Buff

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

[[ptx]]

* PD lowers effective proficiency -> lowers accuracy & speed
* Higher base damage lowers accuracy
* Lowered base accuracy
* Higher PD requirement lowers max possible proficiency -> lowers accuracy & speed
* Lower base speed rating pushes it over the edge, where it is once again impossible to release arrow before the reticule grows.

That is not "a bit" of a hit to accuracy. That is a death blow to anything that could be called accuracy.

You didn't really think this through, yeah?

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

* PD lowers effective proficiency -> lowers accuracy & speed
* Higher base damage lowers accuracy
* Lowered base accuracy
* Higher PD requirement lowers max possible proficiency -> lowers accuracy & speed
* Lower base speed rating pushes it over the edge, where it is once again impossible to release arrow before the reticule grows.

That is not "a bit" of a hit to accuracy. That is a death blow to anything that could be called accuracy.

You didn't really think this through, yeah?

No I did. I went and tested out 7PD longbow archer vs 6PD and found that it made my long range pewpew pretty average but didn't have an effect on my ability at mid range and close range.

I take mid range as about 40-70 paces in game and close as 0-40.

In saying that I obviously couldn't test out how much of a hit my changes would make.

[[ptx]]

"tested"? As in, played an STF for 30 minutes?

As one that has a gen7 longbowman alt, i can say that the only buff/change longbow needs right now is one that removes the sadistic upkeep from bodkin arrows. It is the sole reason, why i don't play my archer alt nowadays, i can't afford it.

Your "buff" would render the longbow unable to hit the side of a barn from medium range and far, far too slow to be able to actually do anything other than a single arrow at close range (and still have to pray for it to hit something).

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

"tested"? As in, played an STF for 30 minutes?

As one that has a gen7 longbowman alt, i can say that the only buff/change longbow needs right now is one that removes the sadistic upkeep from bodkin arrows. It is the sole reason, why i don't play my archer alt nowadays, i can't afford it.

Your "buff" would render the longbow unable to hit the side of a barn from medium range and far, far too slow to be able to actually do anything other than a single arrow at close range (and still have to pray for it to hit something).

Tested for 3 days with an STF. So the you got the 3 part right.

The differentiation from the rus bow is a pretty damn poor and that's mostly why I think the long bow needs a large change.

I think you are seriously over selling the cut to accuracy btw. I put my stf on 140wpf with 7PD and with my amazing 300 ping was still hitting people and dropping targets every once in a while at range. So *blows rasberry*

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Also I'm a shitty archer, I'm a much better xbowphag.

[Rebelyell]

Currently it's pretty damn average.

The damage out put from unloomed and imo even loomed archers is pretty shabby.

I've got 5IF 15str and I wear a +3 Padded jack and I laugh off most archer fire... it just doesn't seem right. I can drop almost anyone wearing such light armour with one bolt from my arb especially if they have stats like me. I'm not looking to have the long bow turned into a one shot one kill canon of doom, but it should at least not suck so much.

Thusly I have endevoured for the betterment of the fool Welsh weapon!

Current stats
Long Bow
missile speed: 40
weight: 4
accuracy: 103
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 50
missile speed: 40
thrust damage: 31 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Frank Stats
Long Bow
missile speed: 44
weight: 4
accuracy: 100
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 47
missile speed: 44
thrust damage: 36 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Basically, I slowed it down to speed it up. The arrows go pewpew with increased pewiness (aka velocity) and it now hits more like a truck and less like a tonka. Also the decrease in accuracy is a compensation for the massive ball breaking power increase. Pushing it to PD7 will eat into the wpf and ath of the archer (theoretically).

As we know PD eats it because PD is a turd and having to go to 21 instead of 18str pulls three out of AGI or sucks up 6 skills points.

So hopefully the longbowmen would either have to cut their IF, kiting or take a bit of a hit to accuracy. In turn though they would be a real son of a bitch at close and mid range causing some serious pain to anything they blast.

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Current longbow power out put @PD7
61.38

Frank POP@PD7
71.28

Loomed


you have no idea how many peps wuld that screw up
CPOP@PD7
65.34

FPOP@PD7
75.24

As you can see the Frankenstiened longbow kicks rather more arse. I honestly think this is how the damn thing should work.

you have no idea how many peps wuld that screw up

[HappyPhantom]

Agree, upkeep on archer is ridiculous compared to 1h/shield and 2h! And as archer having to pump 18 str  for 6 pd is plenty I think. If 7pd was ever required I think id drop archer for good.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

Then use the gorram rus bow. The long bow is so dull and lifeless.

[Corsair831]

a single arrow from steeveee, an EU archer who uses the longbow, will usually take ~~ 90%-100% of my hp.

The longbow doesn't need a buff.

[Grumpy_Nic]

a single arrow from steeveee, an EU archer who uses the longbow, will usually take ~~ 90%-100% of my hp.

The longbow doesn't need a buff.

A real crpg classic. Consider 1 top player (probably with all +3 equip) and base nerf/buff on him.

Bullshit

[Corsair831]

A real crpg classic. Consider 1 top player (probably with all +3 equip) and base nerf/buff on him.

Bullshit

i was using him as an example, but whatever, a STR archer with a +3 longbow currently does humongous amounts of damage

[Rebelyell]

l2 use armour

[Gurnisson]

A real crpg classic. Consider 1 top player (probably with all +3 equip) and base nerf/buff on him.

Bullshit

He was talking damage, and a body shot from a good/bad archer with the same gear will do the same..

They do a ton of damage, but that's okay. However, a buff is definitely not needed.

[Corsair831]

l2 use armor

l2 spell armour

 

[Memento_Mori]

l2 spell armour

 

armor vs armour

Both those spellings are correct, just depends where you're from.

:3