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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2013, 03:39:18 pm »
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It could need a (small) buff. I'd take a Long Axe all day over a bec, definitely.
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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2013, 07:00:03 pm »
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I would just buff the damage a bit so its more comparable to Morningstar. Its too expensive for its damage and lack of shield breaker stat when compared to axes
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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2013, 10:14:19 pm »
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1. Bec is a badass weapon that would be 100X better with 15 str and trying to kill a 45-3 malinese plate crutcher

2. People in NA don't use long weapons as much because we don't like stairing at each other trying to poke with pikes, when the two groups meet you trample the other team.(answers why NA has shorter weapons
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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2013, 02:55:57 pm »
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The problem is that high cut damage weapons with high power strike are too effective against armor, so pole/2h users don't have any incentive to use the pierce/blunt weapons (other than for crushthrough, but that's a different story). Once you have like 45 cut and 8+ power strike, even guys in plate are pretty squishy (die in 3-4 hits).

Meanwhile, low cut damage weapons are woefully ineffective against heavy armor, so most 1h users feel like they have to use pierce/blunt. It's not that 1h pierce/blunt weapons are better than their pole/2h counterparts, it's just that the cut options are so inferior.

The solution? Tweak the soak/mitigation formulas so high armor is more effective against cut and/or less effective against pierce/blunt.

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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2013, 10:37:30 pm »
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I have thought along the same lines about piercing but I'm not sure if bolts, arrows and pokey weapons need a buff.

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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2013, 11:01:55 pm »
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I have thought along the same lines about piercing but I'm not sure if bolts, arrows and pokey weapons need a buff.

True, but right now high cut weapons are the perfect choice for every occasion. They shouldn't be so effective on high armor.

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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2013, 11:06:53 pm »
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The Bec is a great weapon, its great for those anti-gank situations that the poleaxe isnt good at and it deals a lot damage as well, one the best polearms imo
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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2013, 11:57:04 pm »
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@Phew,
I don't disagree.

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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2013, 03:17:18 pm »
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the bec is inferior to the most pole weapons thats a fact
either its damage should be buffed by1 pierce and add some speed (1,2,3 points I don't know its current speed)
or buff the damage with 3 points

and make the 2ndary mode usefull (same damage as the first mode maybe a bit less)
1. good old bec times
2. utility

voila we have a nice weapon for its price
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Re: Bec de Corbin balance issue
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2013, 09:48:32 pm »
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I've been one-shotted by all manner of axes, never by a Bec. Anecdotally, they hit about as hard as a greatsword on my 63 body armor.
The problem is that at high PS, loomed high cut weapons like the axes do about the same damage as the Bec, even on heavy armor. And you do a lot more damage to low-armor people and shields with an axe. So the Bec doesn't have much of a niche.
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I think you vastly underestimate 34p.

No. Steel pick have 31p, have 6k upkeep and you can use it with a shield. A bunch of reasons to understimate that 34p. So it's better for agi builds, that gain a constant damage against armored oponents. Other weapons are far useful, for example: Great bardiche

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For agi builds, maybe this weapon have a niche. But overall, is a overpriced and a very short weapon for a polearm. Why? Because crpg UnBalance team. So whatever suggestion to buff it, at least from myself, is ever welcome. Conclussion: Short, overpriced & no polearm bonus.
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