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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 08:14:46 pm »
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 08:18:35 pm »
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Actually, I chose the Longsword among other reasons (mind you a long long time ago) because you can maneuver it in small cramped spaces and in crowds because of its relatively short length - where longer swords tended to get stuck more. 

I have often considered a Two Handed Sword, but I'm not sure the trade off's are worth it.  It gains a little length and 1 dmg but loses 3 speed (and actually it has 1 less dmg on pierce).

As far as 2h in general...I like the versatility.  Plus seems there's more pole arm and 1h's now than 2h so the "in thing" is always in flux.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 08:22:26 pm »
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People I've never even heard of are frequently landing double hits on me with Longswords despite the fact that I myself use a 99 speed 1h sword, thanks to the absurdness of hiltslashing. Basically, as soon as any noob figures out that strafing+turning left while executing a right swing has a high likelihood of landing before your opponent's next swing, it's all they do.

Before everyone gets all l2p on me, I often encounter people using 102+ speed 1h weapons, and I can't recall ever being hit out of turn by one of those (Rondel excluded). I'm sure it can be done, but scrubs can pull it off with the Longsword/HBS.

Like Dread said, there is no other weapon that enables bad players to perform as well as the longsword.

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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 08:28:04 pm »
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Like Dread said, there is no other weapon that enables bad players to perform as well as the longsword.

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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 08:30:53 pm »
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I guess I don't see as many LS/HBS users as you guys do...I don't know. 

I see lots of 1h/shields, polearms, LOTS of katanas and miadao's, some claymores/GS, and some LS/HBS.  But I'm not running around going "OMG LS EVERYWHERE!"

Not to mention, I do not see tons of people topping scoreboards with LS/HBS.  I usually do*, but most of the other people at the top of the scoreboard use the weapons previously mentioned. 

And actually a lot of times I get sick of the LS cause I need more dmg and pull out the MORNINGSTAR!  :twisted:
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 08:36:18 pm »
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The reason I chose HBS over GS (have both) is because as a flanker (aka annoying bitch behind you hitting and running) speed is essential and with only 113 WPF, the larger swords are too slow to harass well. In addition, I'm not a very good player so the faster swords let me land more hits on average albeit doing less damage.

I guess I don't see as many LS/HBS users as you guys do...I don't know. 

I see lots of 1h/shields, polearms, LOTS of katanas and miadao's, some claymores/GS, and some LS/HBS.  But I'm not running around going "OMG LS EVERYWHERE!"

There are some of us, but definitely not as many as OP implies. TBH I can't think of any dedicated LS/HBS users other than maybe Miley (who doesn't play much) and AngryBumblebee who consistently top the scoreboards.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 08:53:55 pm »
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A lot of people like the longsword because it's such a practical well-rounded weapon. It has decent length, decent speed, and decent damage. None of its stats are really outstanding, but none of them are really bad either. It's short enough to fight with in groups and close quarters, and you can even use it with a shield if you want so that you don't have to worry as much when you're chasing down archers. I know that sometimes I like to bring a practice shield when there's a lot of ranged players on the server, and while it's not a huge help it's still nice to have. I see the longsword as kind of a plain standard-issue 2h sword. Nothing special, but it gets the job done.

With that said, I agree that it would be nice to see a little more variety. There are a lot of axes and blunt weapons that are actually really good but are underused. Maybe if the 'unbalanced' tags were removed from some of them people would use them more. The relative damage of some of the greatswords is also pretty low when you look at how much slower they are. Of course, if you buffed any of the underused 2h weapons it may upset the delicate cRPG ecosystem and cause a never-ending tide of '2h heroes' to sweep across the land, hiltslashing everything in their way.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 08:57:25 pm »
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I just consider 2h swords in general to be the "middle of the road" on all categories (not the longest, not the fastest, not the strongest) and that's why they make good weapons.   I think that's why most people go 2h, is for the swords, so that's why a lot of other 2h weapons get unused. 
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 08:58:41 pm »
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I don't remember ever being double hit by a +3 elite scimitar, not since the devs added a brief delay to the 1h left swing after a successful block a couple years ago. I get double hit by Longswords on a daily basis (King_Chris gets me over half the time). Even the Miaodao can pull this off with some consistency, at only 97 speed when loomed. Can't say I've ever seen anyone pull off consistent double hits with 97 speed 1h or polearms.

Huscarl is a crap shield for any kind of duel situation, since it's too slow to enable block feints. If you see a Huscarl, just hold your attack until they drop their block. With a fast shield, you can drop your block for a split second to force the holding opponent to release their swing, and still recover in time to block it.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 09:04:11 pm »
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Before everyone gets all l2p on me, I often encounter people using 102+ speed 1h weapons, and I can't recall ever being hit out of turn by one of those (Rondel excluded). I'm sure it can be done, but scrubs can pull it off with the Longsword/HBS.

I think you need decent PS, but if you have a 100+ speed 1h (did it with an italian as the slowest 1h so far, although that was on my 163 wpf alt), you can double hit a guy with a left swing if he's at your 11 O'clock if turned a specific way. Other times, you can only hit twice if you're moving away from their badly executed swing.

I'm definitely more annoyed by miaodao users than LS/HBS, but they are very common. I thought they were fine before their buff.

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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 09:08:03 pm »
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I thought they were fine before their buff.

^ The reason they were buffed AFAIK was to increase their use on EU, where they were a much rarer sight. The impact of the buff was felt pretty deeply on NA where they were more often the go-to weapons in much the same way as EU favors the longer 2h swords.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2013, 09:14:57 pm »
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So mala you're saying that EU are trying to compensate for something?
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2013, 09:16:12 pm »
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So mala you're saying that EU are trying to compensate for something?

I'm saying that when there's an EU problem, NA is affected by whatever change is made to deal with it, and most often when there's an NA problem, nothing changes.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2013, 09:24:36 pm »
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Funny thing about the LS is that since I've been using it (which is a long time), it's stats have changed like 3 times...and yeah I don't think the latest buff was necessary.

It was 99 speed base, then they made it 98 speed base, then they made it 99 speed base again....lol

I've gotten sick of it numerous times and tried out great swords and swords of war and claymore's (as well as 1/shield, polearm, etc)....but I always come back to it...just feels right.

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Although as I mentioned before, with all the str/armor out there now I often say "*$&% THIS!" and throw down the LS and bring out my morningstar and just go nuts.  So I'd say I use that 40% of the time now.
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Re: Public Service Announcement for NA 2-Handers
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2013, 09:24:49 pm »
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Blunt 2h's are the fucking best.

Whenever I hop on that there alt, I rock the studded war club or bar mace.

They're so fun. The *thunk* sound effect is hilarious and satisfying. Killing charging horsemen with horizontal swings is also infinitely rewarding. On some maps, I'll climb up a ruined building until I'm standing at the same height as the seated cavalryman upon his horse. And then I wait, and wait, and then fucking swing, clotheslining a biddy.

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