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Dear megalomaniacal nerds Strategus players,


As you all well know, the rule of having >= 1/3 troops to be able to attack a player, or a fief, is having grave repercussion (verily!) in the end game of this strategus round, seeing how we have been able to grind enough troops to "forbid" attacking fiefs we deliberately (or not) put amazing amount of tickets in.

The situation can be summed up in one image :

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This is what is killing EU strategus at the moment, and has been the cases for many months, and almost all factions have used this cheap game mechanism to win a defensive war.
We can blame developers for not bending that rule to allow more fun, and defensive factions for creating that situation in the first place, but we, the people, can change this, if we cooperate between attacking and defending factions...
Something that I never seen or heard of, before I yesterday attack on Grunwalder Castle, held by the Apostates, which was deliberately decreased in army size to allow the Grey Order to attack.


With renewed hope in mankind, in the hope that this will become the norm in the future, I hereby create the Battles Conclave for strategus :

* only 1 rule :

- Each faction that applies to this Conclave, has the moral duty to decrease its troops size in a about to be attacked fief, as long as the attacking army has a party size of 1500 men awaiting at the door of your fief, to a garrison size of 4500 men for the time of the agreed upon attack (then the lord put all remaining troops back in the fief in the reinforcement timeframe, at no to little cost to themselves).

(you could use this topic to give screenshots of your army, and call out the faction owner of the fief if he's a member of this group)
(time and conditions of such a "rendez-vous" has to be worked between faction leaders, fief owners and generals)



* only 1 reason to do so :

- To do battles !!!





If you are a leader of a strategus faction, and can speak for it, just pledge to follow that simple rule each time you can, you and all your faction, and sign after you post;

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I hope I can WILL HAVE the support of all the big knightly strategus factions.




Battles Conclave members list :

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 03:00:43 pm »
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This is signed,

I can only approve of this superb idea of circumventing the 1/3 rule, you really have a brilliant mind!


I will order my faction fief's owner to decrease its army size each time someone wants to besiege it with at least 1500 men;
I pledge the honor of my faction along with this;



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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 03:19:25 pm »
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This is signed,

I can only approve of this superb idea of circumventing the 1/3 rule, you really have a brilliant mind!


I will order my faction fief's owner to decrease its army size each time someone wants to besiege it with at least 1500 men;
I pledge the honor of my faction along with this;



Butan Zlisch, Rice Eaters WBPs dictator regent,
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 03:52:25 pm »
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I think we made that deal with grey order a few days ago. We have over 10k troops in grunwalder, but we take them out at the evenings so GO can attack with 2k troops. Hetman promised us the same for when we attack their towns ^^

Would be nice if the desert could make a deal like this  :P
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2013, 03:56:27 pm »
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I think we made that deal with grey order a few days ago. We have over 10k troops in grunwalder, but we take them out at the evenings so GO can attack with 2k troops. Hetman promised us the same for when we attack their towns ^^

Would be nice if the desert could make a deal like this  :P

That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2013, 04:46:22 pm »
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That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.

Thats me :-D
And ofc Tyr, Hetman and Jacu also were in TS for that :)
And the castle owner itchy :D

Well ... in the first thought i declared that "conclave" for an dump idea, cause ppl have to speak with each other on TeamSpeak, and not in an thread or organisation ..... nothing against you butan... i dont even know myselve .... It was just an idea for an nice weekend battle. That was my only thought by atleast trying it out ^^
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2013, 04:46:50 pm »
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i think this rule is not to bad, but it should not be active when defenders have more than 6000/6500 troops, Unimportant it is battle or siege

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2013, 04:48:57 pm »
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Another idea would be it, when the castle owner got the same amout of upkeep for troops (when he is in his own castle ofc) as the stationed garrison .... but for that we also need the Devs .... but its an better idea than taking the 1/3 rule totally out ... ^^
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 05:12:02 pm »
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Well ... in the first thought i declared that "conclave" for an dump idea, cause ppl have to speak with each other on TeamSpeak, and not in an thread or organisation .....

I trust the strategus network to work itself out, hence just having TS/steam/website PM of other guys should be enough to manage this. This topic may help in that but its mainly to show support and membership. (I will add a map soon)

I'm not going to do any administration myself, people have to take responsability and assume the pledge they will owe to each Conclave members (thats just a symbolic name, no RP and only 1 rule).


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i think this rule is not to bad, but it should not be active when defenders have more than 6000/6500 troops, Unimportant it is battle or siege
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Another idea would be it, when the castle owner got the same amout of upkeep for troops (when he is in his own castle ofc) as the stationed garrison .... but for that we also need the Devs .... but its an better idea than taking the 1/3 rule totally out ... ^^


For the sake of simplicity, dont try to find "alternatives" to my idea; this isnt a debate, it is a PROPOSITION.

Everyone and their mothers agrees, in the confines of their 15 000 garisonned fief, that we should be able to ATTACK ANYTHING WE WANT TO IF WE HAVE AT LEAST 1500 MEN (hence having to decrease the fief army size to the precise number of 4500 (1500x3=))

Now its time to man up and do it; this topic is just a manipulative good way to show everyone what you are made of and create a world where people can go back to hacking each others to piece with a smile on their face (see my avatar for an example of a happy man).
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 05:47:30 pm »
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That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.

I won't, diplomacy like this is generally just agreed on by 2 party's. No need to do anything like this on the forum, cause it will only result in the old "kinngrimm-bitching". The "you signed a contract, now do it immediately or im gonna flame on the forums again. We have this arrangement with greys, its working as planned, no need for a conclave like this by a third party.
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2013, 05:59:24 pm »
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I won't, diplomacy like this is generally just agreed on by 2 party's. No need to do anything like this on the forum, cause it will only result in the old "kinngrimm-bitching". The "you signed a contract, now do it immediately or im gonna flame on the forums again. We have this arrangement with greys, its working as planned, no need for a conclave like this by a third party.


There is no third-party, everyone's responsible for their own faction to accept or not. If you dont like it, dont sign. Thats like a peace treaty or any over forum diplomacy you can see everywhere else.

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2013, 06:58:57 pm »
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Talk to me on steam whenever you want to besiege my fiefs  :) (or WPB's !)
Disclaimer: Talking to Butan will not lower the troop counts in WPB lands.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2013, 08:03:11 pm »
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Disclaimer: Talking to Butan will not lower the troop counts in WPB lands.

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Talk to me on steam whenever you want to besiege my fiefs  :) (or Zlisch for WPB's !*)


Corrected  :mrgreen:
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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2013, 08:29:34 pm »
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When the day come that Shu Han get attacked, we will of course make a deal with the attackers.

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Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2013, 08:42:02 pm »
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Wolves accepts this agreement and are honored to be amongst its members, and as long as the attacker has signed the same treaty we will stand by it.
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