Fix to ranged balance for EU1

[owens]

Shields on back block arrows.

Not much but it might be enough to allow hybrid builds to not get shot in the back durring combat as easily and make "head on" archer a better choice than it is now.

Good idea, shield on back blocks arrows, 0 forcefield though. So headshot = headshot.

I think currently a shield on the back nerfs your speed with a certain % (apart from its weight)
So that'll prevent it from being a free boost.

^Haboe

[oohillac]

There doesn't need to be a defense for being shot in the back.  Much like there isn't one for being struck in the back in melee. 

[Rumblood]

Teamwork.

[Kafein]

Yeah, some classes require teamwork to kill and not others, it's completely fair because bananas.

[Haboe]

Good idea, shield on back blocks arrows, 0 forcefield though. So headshot = headshot.

I think currently a shield on the back nerfs your speed with a certain % (apart from its weight)
So that'll prevent it from being a free boost.

[Malaclypse]

I think currently a shield on the back nerfs your speed with a certain %

Only if you're also holding a shield out front AFAIK.

[Ronin]

Extra weight is an extra weight no matter what it is. Most of the shields have at least 5, so this would make sense.

Besides a shield on back looks very very stylish.

[Rumblood]

Yeah, some classes require teamwork to kill and not others, it's completely fair because bananas.

Two shields should make you immune to ranged, it's completely fair because pineapples.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Rumblood is almost as crazy an archer lobbyist as Huseby.

[Berserkadin]

^
Mad because bad.

[Rumblood]

Rumblood is almost as crazy an archer lobbyist as Huseby.

I think you guys are crazy. Direct archery nerfs wasn't enough. There has been so many that the cRPG community as a whole seems to finally be of the consensus that there has been enough of that madness already. So now you've had to regroup and change your tactics and do indirect nerfs to archery with buffs like having shields on the back not just reduce damage as they do now, but completely block the ranged as well.
My thrower with a shield can already take down 2 archers by himself without breaking a sweat. Make him immune to missiles in his back so even if the archers split up he still cant be shot and he can do it without any effort.
Shielders were already given 0 slot weapons to use, so this would make it actually feasible to carry two 2 Huscarl around, one for front, one for back, and complete that turtle shell.

So yeah, don't pretend that this "balance" thread is anything more than another "Nerf archery" thread.

[Malaclypse]

Shielders were already given 0 slot weapons to use, so this would make it actually feasible to carry two 2 Huscarl around, one for front, one for back, and complete that turtle shell.

While that's true, it's at a massive malus to speed, far more than simply the weight of the two shields. 10 Ath/30 Agi with two Hand Pavise shields is about as slow as my 3ath/9agi archer with two stacks of bodkins, 0 slot 1h (and 7 PS) and a longbow.

Also it wasn't just shielder's who were given 0 slot weapons to use, it was literally everyone with the STR to do so! Archers, crossbowmen, cavalry, pikemen, throwers...

[Haboe]

In the old days, huscarl in the hand, huscarl on your back, the real turtle style 

[Ronin]

Lol a guy carrying 2 shields would be slow as fuck and vulnerable on sides. I wouldn't even waste an arrow on such a noob if I was an archer.

[Eugen]

Shields on back block arrows.

I thought "holstered" shields do protect your back since beginning of M&B. I believe there are also animations and hitdetection for arrow hits on "backworn" shields, and sounds for hitting wood, when backstabbed or sideswinged on a backworn shield. Not 100% shure. Just would be nice to know if I was wrong all the years.

If its not already the case: Holstred Shields on the back really should protect your back (without forcefield and attribut bonus clearly)