Range Spam in Eu1

[Ronin]

to be fair, the ranged is a counter to the huge amount of tincans that populate the servers ... it's a logical counter imo ...

need more people doing something similar to what i / kinnigrim do, going fast movement speed shielder and kill the archers ! )

and it's not like it's only useful against archers. Duelling 1v4 and making your opponents tk each other is just golden.

[Joker86]

and also one should not forget:

[amount of archers] = [a] x [their effectivity]

Even worse, because [archer effectivity] = [single archer effectivity] x [amount of archers]²

The whole formula is starting to get really complicated.

[Leesin]

Personally yes it does get a bit disheartening when it seems like the enemy team is made up of mostly archers and xbows, as it just seems to suck the fun out of the game when you spend most of your time just trying not to get shot rather than actually fighting, but I don't feel there is much to be done. The only 'build' I feel is unbalanced is still HX, even after their so called "slot nerf", they are basically the no-where-near-as-nerfed version of the HA.

[Strudog]

to be fair, the ranged is a counter to the huge amount of tincans that populate the servers ... it's a logical counter imo ...

need more people doing something similar to what i / kinnigrim do, going fast movement speed shielder and kill the archers ! )

i rarely see any tincans.

At the moment only shielders can choose the light armour because they have the protection of the shield, im sure if i took light armour i would be 1-2 shot by the Long bow

[Prpavi]

i rarely see any tincans.

At the moment only shielders can choose the light armour because they have the protection of the shield, im sure if i took light armour i would be 1-2 shot by the Long bow

lol i tried to play in light armor and got killed by ranged most of the rounds on any part of the map either close or long range. was forced to atleast get some medium gear. yeye i know i suck either way but the troubling part is that xbows and loomed archers take more HP than a slice by a greatsword or some poleaxe which is troubling to say the least.

[peter_afca7]

to be fair, the ranged is a counter to the huge amount of tincans that populate the servers ... it's a logical counter imo ...

need more people doing something similar to what i / kinnigrim do, going fast movement speed shielder and kill the archers ! )

the amount of ranged is more like making us to take on tincan

when i play with light gear ill get shot to pieces

[Prpavi]

the amount of ranged is more like making us to take on tincan

when i play with light gear ill get shot to pieces

Plate doesn't helm much with ranged to be honest. they deal pierce dmg... the only difference is in your speed and crazy upkeep.

can't remember anybody that plays full plate all the time atm, Mircea, b0nk that is basically it.

[Ronin]

The archers threaten my wife and children to force me to wear plate armor.

[Molly]

[archer effectivity] = [single archer effectivity] x [amount of archers]²

[amount of archers] = [a] x [their effectivity]

[Extend of spam] = [amount of archers] x [their effectivity]

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[Extend of spam] = [amount of archers] x [their effectivity] = [a] x [single archer effectivity] x [amount of archers]² x [single archer effectivity] x ([a] x [their effectivity])²
...that doesn't work. You can't solve that equation. Now we have the mathematical proof that Archers just fuck things up!

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My math classes at uni are way back already. What was it called? Linear Dependent? What were the consequences again?

[Juhanius]

Remove xbow there is enough ranged weapon types already. Using xbow effectively does not require any skill nor PD.

[Leesin]

Remove xbow there is enough ranged weapon types already. Using xbow effectively does not require any skill nor PD.

Rather than remove it just add another requirement. When I play siege with my main I take a hunting crossbow + steel bolts with 0 wpfs and get kills, even headshot kills occasionally which is hilarious when you think about the fact I have 0 wpf and using the cheapest xbow.

[Paul]

I recently played 1h without shield on foot to abuse nudge and to throw stakes. The ranged pressure was low. Can't remember when it ever was that low. Foot ranged can't scatter and shoot like in more agile days so they were bound to cluster up on some secluded spot where they could actually be easily avoided. I didn't feel much of a threat - even without a shield and on foot. Nor did they contribute to the outcome of a round like inf and melee cav did.

Actually I remember a round were I was pretty pissed that we seemingly spawned without a single ranged footman. I brought stakes and wanted to make 'em a home. We steamrolled the other team who had all the ranged. Their outnumbered melee guys were crushed in an instant and then cRPG ranged doesn't have the damage output or agility to endanger a charging group. They might have had a chance with some actual teamwork between their ranged and melee but this seems to be out of favour in cRPG.

That's probably the reason for a lot of 'problems'. Melee inf not keeping their ranged guys safe, ranged not dismounting cav, cav giving a shit about anything in the first place.

[Prpavi]

may i ask how often do u play Paul?

[Molly]

He is actually quite right. I play with a rather squishy build and if you just watch out for ranged, it's pretty easy to either dodge or even avoid them completely... except for the random headshot now and then, ranged isn't that bad most of the time.

At least during prime time. Early hours or late at night when there are only 20 vs 20 and there are 8 or 9 ranged... then it's different.

[Rumblood]

Let's see, ranged are playing as a team and individuals are having problems dealing with them, hmmm.....

We had a situation on NA where enemy ranged had a steep hillside with some steeper mountainous area. They were a real pain and won a couple of rounds being grouped up together and raining missiles down on the flat plain below filled with infantry and cavalry fighting it out.

The difference between this thread and that situation, is we decided to take our cavalry, get up to the backside of the hill right as they were getting in place, and then charge down and scatter them to the winds, stomping them down under our horses hooves as they ran. By time the map was almost over, their team was begging the stubborn ones "please, can't we just go down onto the plains and fight? This isn't working."

/Lesson