Range Spam in Eu1

[Necrorave]

The only reason I think this entire complaint is kinda silly is because you people refuse to use range to retaliate.  Anyone can use a hunting x-bow.  I'm not saying to beat ranged use ranged, but I do not understand why people complain if ANYONE can use it.

[Strudog]

The only reason I think this entire complaint is kinda silly is because you people refuse to use range to retaliate.  Anyone can use a hunting x-bow.  I'm not saying to beat ranged use ranged, but I do not understand why people complain if ANYONE can use it.

Because 0 WPF Hunting crossbow will be so effective against a 169 wpf Long bow archer

[Joker86]

Your conquest crusade has been on repeat for so long its starting to be comical Joker.. The devs have read it for sure, take a deep breath and relax now.. 

Yeah, actually I guess so. But it's the same old topics popping up again and again. It's my way to say "Stop your goddamn worthless nerf cries, they are not working anyway! The devs are (perhaps) already working on a better solution."

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Your conquest crusade has been on repeat for so long its starting to be comical Joker.. The devs have read it for sure, take a deep breath and relax now.. 

So, is this the time when you make a final final solution thread about cav?

[Joker86]

So, is this the time when you make a final final solution thread about cav?

People develop. Well, some of them. I evolved past that stadium when I saw buffs and nerfs as only means of fixing things. 

[Grumbs]

People develop. Well, some of them. I evolved past that stadium when I saw buffs and nerfs as only means of balancing things. 

One might suggest that now you want to nerf Battle instead. I think objectives beyond something vague like we have now would nerf some of the free form on the fly tactics you get. ATM you have a vague goal: help your team to win and get gold/xp. If you have objectives the tactics needed will be much more defined and I think it would be more repetitive and more linear than the current Battle

I do think adequate nerfs and buffs are enough to balance too. The fact is that the current balancing team haven't really done a good job imo

[Necrorave]

The only reason I think this entire complaint is kinda silly is because you people refuse to use range to retaliate.  Anyone can use a hunting x-bow.  I'm not saying to beat ranged use ranged, but I do not understand why people complain if ANYONE can use it.

Because 0 WPF Hunting crossbow will be so effective against a 169 wpf Long bow archer

I'm not saying it is better, I am saying whats the point of complaining if you can do it too.  (Whether changing your build or buying a xbow)

[Strudog]

I'm not saying it is better, I am saying whats the point of complaining if you can do it too.  (Whether changing your build or buying a xbow)

Just wow, I feel sorry for the retarded people in this community

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Just wow, I feel sorry for the retarded people in this community

Feeling sorry for yourself is sorta lame...

[Joker86]

One might suggest that now you want to nerf Battle instead.

That's just playing with words. Battle is a game mode, not a class or weapon, and it has no efficiency, so you can't lower it.

I think objectives beyond something vague like we have now would nerf some of the free form on the fly tactics you get. ATM you have a vague goal: help your team to win and get gold/xp. If you have objectives the tactics needed will be much more defined and I think it would be more repetitive and more linear than the current Battle

I do think adequate nerfs and buffs are enough to balance too. The fact is that the current balancing team haven't really done a good job imo

I think here we disagree. Those "free fly tactics" you discribe involve tactics like "sit on back of a horse, shoot people with a crossbow, run away when needed, take your time to kill every enemy and when someone complains say you are only playing your class."

You know what I mean?

And it's not like there is a vast variety of tactics used right now. Actually in most games non are used at all. Sometimes limitations INCREASE the creativity. Phil Hansen for example can't draw straight lines due to an illness, so he had to find other ways to draw his pictures, and those other ways made him actually unique and special and they were the reason he was forced to use more creativity. The same could happen if the typical "autowalker-rambo-lemming-mode" does not work any more, even if you have proper blocking skills.

[Panos]

I'm not saying it is better, I am saying whats the point of complaining if you can do it too.  (Whether changing your build or buying a xbow)

Yes, because playing a game the way you like it, is too mainstream.

Sometimes, I feel that you can only have "fun" in this mod, only if you`re ranged, or a happy lolstabber.

And on top of that, you have retarded native players (Cyber, Mauwits, etc etc) who insist that there is no actuall spam/hitslash in c-rpg, and that you don`t know the game well enough.

I started playing c-rpg believing that it  would be more balanced than native, but in the end, it`s the same shit.

Native > endless ranged spam > lolstab macro feint heroes
c-rpg > endless ranged spam > lolstab macro feint heroes


I never claimed that I`m a skilled player, but over the last months, I improved a lot, and it really annoys me to see, that even though I have better footwork and better parrying skill than the majority of this community, they kill me just because they can hitslash, or hit me with a random stab from out of nowhere.

I know that total balance will never be possible in this mod, not because of the devs, but because of the retarded game mechanics, but I`m pretty sure that there are viable solutions, that could at least close the big gap between classes.


Now I know that people are  gonna start posting shit like "OH STOP QQING PANOS, YOU SUCK, LEARN TO DOWNBLOCK" or "Panos you`re an idiot, you don`t know the game like I do, I used to play native, and I`m so skilled and imba player so I came to c-rpg to spread my swaginess".

Well good for you.

[Thomek]

Dueling skill, what used to be quite important on EU1 is not so anymore. The gameplay has become so hardcore that teamplay, ranged, cab-backstabbing and lame strategies prevail.

The chances that you have time to duel in any given encounter is very small, and the chance that you will get spammed by several enemies in one form or another increases as time passes. The longer the duel takes, the more you are at risk for a well placed xbowbolt, cav slash at full speed to the head, a couch, a bump, a pike, a jarid, an arrow, or a lolstabber nearby.

So you have to kill enemies very quickly to be successful in melee, and that can best be done by doing dirty tricks that i.ex the lolstab is very much made for. In a short time you can project, or threaten to project tons of damage in a large area.

Imo, a non-shielder melee char has 2 options. One is to go alone on the flanks, choose their battles and with the gear to survive there (like me) or to master group fighting, which extremely few players do. Off the top of my head I can recall Khorin and maybe Tor?

So no wonder you get killed Panos, even if I must admit you have become way better than you used to be

[HappyPhantom]

Dueling skill, what used to be quite important on EU1 is not so anymore. The gameplay has become so hardcore that teamplay, ranged, cab-backstabbing and lame strategies prevail.

The chances that you have time to duel in any given encounter is very small, and the chance that you will get spammed by several enemies in one form or another increases as time passes. The longer the duel takes, the more you are at risk for a well placed xbowbolt, cav slash at full speed to the head, a couch, a bump, a pike, a jarid, an arrow, or a lolstabber nearby.

So you have to kill enemies very quickly to be successful in melee, and that can best be done by doing dirty tricks that i.ex the lolstab is very much made for. In a short time you can project, or threaten to project tons of damage in a large area.

Sooo... isn't the point of Battle to have your team left in the end? In which case the scenarios you mention are valid tactics to get your team a win. If you want to Duel, go to a duel server?

The problem is the way you want to play isn't matched by the game style. Which applies generally I think to this post, not just you Thomek.

I feel like there's a bunch of people who want to play a certain way, but which current game modes aren't suiting. Nothing to do with classes being OP etc.

[Adamar]

lol, poor Joker.

I say, nerf me moar! Seriously, I dont care. If bumping down archery is the way to make me leave this piece of **** game then do it.

So long as Bows remain mildly viable, I'll be here to do my best in raging the very fucks who's comments saw me nerfed out of the fun. Because Im adicted to the game and now its all about vengeance, taking out my class frustration on any available piece of meat out there. Im certainly not playing for fun or score, and Im sure some archers feel the same. YOU made me this way.

Now, the ammount of efficient HX is related to the latest archer nerfs. Before archers here able to keep HX's down, but with less movement speed and no teamplay its easy for them to keep bumping us down while they reload and shoot at close range, and the slower arrow flight makes it a lot less likely to hit moving targets.

[Prpavi]

lol, poor Joker.

I say, nerf me moar! Seriously, I dont care. If bumping down archery is the way to make me leave this piece of **** game then do it.

So long as Bows remain mildly viable, I'll be here to do my best in raging the very fucks who's comments saw me nerfed out of the fun. Because Im adicted to the game and now its all about vengeance, taking out my class frustration on any available piece of meat out there. Im certainly not playing for fun or score, and Im sure some archers feel the same. YOU made me this way.

Now, the ammount of efficient HX is related to the latest archer nerfs. Before archers here able to keep HX's down, but with less movement speed and no teamplay its easy for them to keep bumping us down while they reload and shoot at close range, and the slower arrow flight makes it a lot less likely to hit moving targets.

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