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Offline OttomanSniper

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Archery Damage Balance
« on: May 25, 2013, 09:28:04 am »
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xbow & bolt damage need nerf and bow & arrow damage need buff, there is a big difference damage values.

My items: +3 Horn Bow, +3 Tatar Arrow
Char: 8PD 150WP 26STR

I can kill medium armored guy 2 shot to head or 6 shot to body.

But when i use +3 light xbow and +0 Steel bolts 1 shot enough for head or 2 shot enough for body.

If any one dont believe me, we can try on eu3 u can record and upload any video portal. I tried some guys this issue and they are believe me now.

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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 09:29:21 am »
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There should be difference in damage.
Another problem might be that archery is weaker in general, considering its low missile speed and accuracy.
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2013, 11:47:46 am »
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Damages are quite fine with looms ... Buff only unloomed stuff.

And I agree with ottomansniper , the gap between xbows and bows is quite vast ... and bow isn't so cheaper than xbows ... So , I would suggest to adapt price of bows, because you can become easily a good crossbowman without practice, but that's much harder to become accurate with bows ...

Archers don't need a "big" buff,  but a small buff , on prices for example ... Longbow = 11000 gold / Arbalest = 180000 gold

Arbalest 1 shot everything , with high accuracy , and time of reload can be improved by wpf in crossbow.
Longbow, for example, never 1 shot (only peasants) , and is highly inaccurate for his price.
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 12:04:07 pm »
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Quote from: OttomanSniper on May 25, 2013, 09:28:04 am
xbow & bolt damage need nerf and bow & arrow damage need buff, there is a big difference damage values.

Oh, is this the make a wish thread??


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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2013, 12:34:33 pm »
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Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on May 25, 2013, 11:47:46 am
Arbalest 1 shot everything , with high accuracy , and time of reload can be improved by wpf in crossbow.
Longbow, for example, never 1 shot (only peasants) , and is highly inaccurate for his price.

Bullshit. You rarely ever one-shot with arbalest. The damage with mw arbalest is a bit higher than mw long bow, but not much. Also, dropping this in here:

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Stop whining about long bow accuracy please. "Highly inaccurate". Compare it to the others please :rolleyes:
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2013, 12:35:31 pm »
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The high end stuff is balanced imo - its the low end xbows that are OP compared to the low end bows.

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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 01:05:49 pm »
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Forgot to add one:

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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 01:19:55 pm »
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Quote from: Gurnisson on May 25, 2013, 12:34:33 pm
Bullshit. You rarely ever one-shot with arbalest. The damage with mw arbalest is a bit higher than mw long bow, but not much. Also, dropping this in here:

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Stop whining about long bow accuracy please. "Highly inaccurate". Compare it to the others please :rolleyes:

Yeah , I know , but if you aren't a dedicated archer , your crosshair is big ... try with 160 + armor  :P

And yeah , I saw a lot of 1 shot with arbalst +3 and steel bolt +3
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 01:24:31 pm »
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Quote from: Gurnisson on May 25, 2013, 12:34:33 pm
Bullshit. You rarely ever one-shot with arbalest. The damage with mw arbalest is a bit higher than mw long bow, but not much. Also, dropping this in here:

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Stop whining about long bow accuracy please. "Highly inaccurate". Compare it to the others please :rolleyes:
Hmm, but you can have that accuracy for like 0.1 second with bows and you have a much worse projectile speed.
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 02:09:40 pm »
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Quote from: Ronin on May 25, 2013, 01:24:31 pm
Hmm, but you can have that accuracy for like 0.1 second with bows and you have a much worse projectile speed.

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Quote from: Gurnisson on May 25, 2013, 12:34:33 pm
Bullshit. You rarely ever one-shot with arbalest. The damage with mw arbalest is a bit higher than mw long bow, but not much. Also, dropping this in here:

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Stop whining about long bow accuracy please. "Highly inaccurate". Compare it to the others please :rolleyes:


And I think standing still with a Horn bow on a horse isn't changing alot with the accuracy, try going fullspeed.
Try going fullspeed with a crossbow on a horseback, then compare.
The accuracy of a Horse Archer with 4 HA is almost exact the same as a Horse Crossbower with like 1-2 Horse Archery skill.
As an unloomed hybrid-Horse Crossbower with some 1h wpf and some Powerstrike you're more viable than a fully loomed Horse Archer with no additional skills.

Show a bit love to Horse Archer's (by the way I'm neither an Archer nor a Horse Archer) or nerf Horse Crossbower.

(I know we aren't talking about Horse Archers or Horse Crossbowers but I wanted to drop that in  :rolleyes:)
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 05:19:23 pm »
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Quote from: Ronin on May 25, 2013, 01:24:31 pm
Hmm, but you can have that accuracy for like 0.1 second with bows and you have a much worse projectile speed.

It took him 18 tries to get the screenshot for the long bow. Kept missing the accuracy window.
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 07:10:26 pm »
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Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on May 25, 2013, 01:19:55 pm
Yeah , I know , but if you aren't a dedicated archer , your crosshair is big ... try with 160 + armor  :P
So you're saying archers shouldn't suffer penalties for being good at both ranged and melee combat? Mmmmmm... What?








What?
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 07:13:36 pm »
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It is not all about how small is the reticule.
there are other things on it. Probabilities etc etc
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 08:18:43 pm »
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Quote from: Gurnisson on May 25, 2013, 01:05:49 pm
Forgot to add one:

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Also you forgot to add +3 Arbalest with 189 wpf.
And please, can you mark how match time you can hold those reticules. For bows and crossbows.
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Re: Archery Damage Balance
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 08:20:45 pm »
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Quote from: Cup1d on May 25, 2013, 08:18:43 pm
Also you forgot to add +3 Arbalest with 189 wpf.
And please, can you mark how match time you can hold those reticules. For bows and crossbows.

They're all level 30 builds, how am I supposed to make a pic of +3 arbalest with 189 wpf?

Of course you can hold your shot with xbows, that's what you pay for with your garbage RoF compared to bows. :)
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