Community Faction Design Contest - Commander Mode

[Tydeus]

*Update 10/06/2013*
A lot of people have been wondering what happened to this and whether or not their effort is simply going to go to waste. Unfortunately, I don't have the best news, but it's not hopeless. Originally, we decided to run this as a test because we had the old EU server for a few extra weeks. Now that those servers are gone, we no longer have a good place to host this game mode. Due to the fact that a dedicated server running this game mode can only accommodate a handful of players, it doesn't make economical sense to continue officially hosting this. On the plus side, anyone can host a server with this game mode.

In the event that we can find someone willing to pay for/host a server running this game mode, not only will these custom factions be playable, but further development can also resume where it left off. Sorry to anyone who feels like they wasted their time contributing, that was not my intention. But like you, I too put a fair bit of time into this.

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While trying to rebalance Commander’s Mode, we realized that it would actually be easier(and much more fun) to just come up with new factions altogether. This is where you guys come in. We’re holding a bit of a contest where anyone can submit a faction concept and if chosen, see it implemented as one of the playable factions in the game mode. You can post as many designs as you want, and there's no winner limit. Keep in mind though, all accepted factions are subject to balance revision. Oh, and last thing before we get into the real deal, extra +1s for not using equipment that other people have in their designs.
   
    Faction Customization Ruleset
   

• 180000 gold cap.
• 14 unit points to spend.
• 5 different unit types.

   
    Unit type limitations:
   

• Maximum of 2 points from cavalry.
• Maximum of 2 archery/crossbow units.
• Minimum of 3 melee classes

    Each faction must follow these three Unit Points criteria:
   

• Minimum of one unit below than 2 points.
• Minimum of one unit with at least 4 points.
• Minimum of one unit between 2.5 and 3 points.

     
    Unit Points
     
    Horses
   

• Light Horse                                                           1
• Armored Horse                                                      2

    Armor (body armor + gloves)
   

• light                                                                       .5
• light-medium                      (armor > 25)               1
• medium                              (armor > 35)               1.5
• medium-heavy                   (armor > 44)                2
• heavy                                (armor > 53)                 2.5

    Weapons (take the mean value for weapons + any shield costs)
   

• light                                                                         .5
• medium                              (5K+)                             1
• heavy                                (10K+)                            1.5

Something along the lines of…

The Heroes

Faction Concept: The Heroes, named after their strongest division, rely on the strength of their 2h/pole and cavalry divisions. The Shield and hoplite divisions are average with good weapons but mediocre gear and stats. The ranged division, which consists of a mix between archers and crossbowers, have quite poor ranged weapons and seems to be more of a weak infantry class than a dedicated archery division.

The Heroes class
The Hero faction's main focus and strength outside of their cavalry charges. Great armor, better weapons.

Equipment

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Fluted Varangian Helmet - 3,590
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Pronoia Armor - 14,304 - 48 armor
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Plate Mittens - 9,868 - 8 armor
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Splinted Greaves With Spurs - 2,728
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Great Bardiche - 7,426
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Great Sword - 12,623
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Long Hafted Spiked Mace - 6,819
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German Poleaxe - 15,061
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Totals
Total Armor Cost: 30,490; 56 armor 2.5 points
Mean Weapon Cost: 10,482; 1.5 points
Subtotal: 40,972 Gold; 4 points

While the Heroes fancy their strength more than their speed, they understand the necessity of maneuverability.

Proposed Stats:
30 strength
22 agility
10 PS
10 IF
7 Athletics
160 2h/pole wpf

The Backstabbers (Lancer division)
Strongest taking their opponents from behind, this cavalry division is equally effective on foot as they are mounted.

Equipment

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Fluted Varangian Helmet - 3,590
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Mongol Armor - 7,815 - 43 armor
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Plate Mittens - 9,868 - 8 armor
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Splinted Greaves With Spurs - 2,728
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Destrier - 23,470
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Heavy Lance - 9,702
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Lance - 5,474
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Longsword - 6,660
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Long Hafted Spiked Mace - 6,819
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Total Armor Cost: 30,490; 51 armor 2 points
Mean Horse Cost: 23,470; 1 points
Mean Weapon Cost: 7,163 1 point
Subtotal: 68,287 Gold; 4 points

Proposed Stats:
28 Strength
21 Agility
9 PS
9 IF
7 Riding
7 Athletics
130 2h/pole wpf

Ranged/Hybrid division
Very lacking ranged capabilities, sub-par melee.

Equipment

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Nasal Helm - 794
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Peltastos Armor - 1,752 - 29 armor
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Mail Gauntlets - 2,074 - 4 armor
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Eastern Lamellar Greaves - 880
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Hunting Crossbow - 3,904
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Bolts - 193
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Iron Staff - 4,667
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Studded War Club - 3,710
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Armor Total: 7,453; 33 armor 1 point
Ranged Weapon Total: 4097
Mean Melee Weapon Total: 4188 1 point (combined 8K gold)
Subtotal: 20,659 2 points

Proposed Stats:
27 Strength
21 Agility
9 PS
9 IF
7 Athletics
130 crossbow wpf
130 2h/pole wpf

The Pikemen

Equipment

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Skutatos Helmet - 2,679
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Peltastos Armor - 1,752 - 29 armor
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Mail Gauntlets - 2,074 - 4 armor
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Splinted Leather Greaves over Mail - 1,817
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Long Spear - 5,477
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Iron Battle Axe - 4,026
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Armor Total: 7,453; 33 armor 1 point
Weapon Total: 4751; .5 points
Subtotal: 27,339 1.5 points

Proposed Stats:
24 Strength
24 Agility
8 PS
5 IF
7 Athletics
180 melee wpf

The Shielders

Equipment

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Skutatos Helmet - 2,679
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Peltastos Armor - 1,752 - 29 armor
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Mail Gauntlets - 2,074 - 4 armor
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Splinted Leather Greaves over Mail - 1,817
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Knightly Kite Shield - 4,227
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Military Cleaver - 5,655
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Military Hammer - 6,536
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Iron War Axe - 5,183
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Armor Total: 7,453; 33 armor 1 point
Shield Total: 4,227
Weapon Total: 5,791; 1.5 points (includes the shield cost)
Subtotal: 25,521 2.5 points

Proposed Stats:
28 Strength
23 Agility
9 PS
7 IF
5 Shield
7 Athletics

Total Faction Costs: 182,778 Gold

[SoA_Sir_ODHarry]

how about the skills? is it like in native or should it be crpg lv related?

[Tydeus]

In anticipation of allowing players to use their characters properly(with equipment), npcs need to have higher level stats so that they're properly risky to engage directly. Check the ones I came up with. Think of DTV high wave bots, somewhere around the mid-high thirties with the strongest of classes about level 40.

[SoA_Sir_ODHarry]

ok how bout the wpf change then
it wouldnt make sense too design classes when the wpf changes soon...

anyway

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EPIC SHIZZNET

edit: I think there should be a Max. restriction in Equip worth for any Class. otherwise its easy too create OP Classes while the other of the army gonna be underused...wouldnt make sense then too create 5 classes when they not all gonna be used properly.Or gonna be there 1vs1 battels(contests)?

[Tydeus]

You don't have to worry about Weapon Master, just define set amounts of wpf for each type. 180 being high, 140 medium, 100 low. Again, we'll tweak the numbers based on the concept and what it takes to actually achieve balance. Glad you like the idea. Can't wait till I see some old timers representing their factions here.

edit: I think there should be a Max. restriction in Equip worth for any Class. otherwise its easy too create OP Classes while the other of the army gonna be underused...wouldnt make sense then too create 5 classes when they not all gonna be used properly.Or gonna be there 1vs1 battels(contests)?

Players certainly need to keep such things in mind, but there's no reason why we can't set certain limitations like only 1 cav division for faction x per round. You already need 1 commander per division as is.

[Panos]

The GTX wannabes

Faction Concept : Angry teenage kids, who  rule the mod with their uber pr0 skills


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Proposed Stats:
99 strength
99 agility
33 PS
33 IF
33 Athletics
1000 2h/pole wpf


All hail the master race.

[Tydeus]

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The GTX wannabes

Faction Concept : Angry teenage kids, who  rule the mod with their uber pr0 skills


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Proposed Stats:
99 strength
99 agility
33 PS
33 IF
33 Athletics
1000 2h/pole wpf


All hail the master race.

We already have that, it's called the Heroes faction.

[Lt_Anders]

Question: Do slots matter? Can bots use more slots than actual "slots" unlike humans?

[Tydeus]

Question: Do slots matter? Can bots use more slots than actual "slots" unlike humans?

Slots don't matter, try not to go overboard with it though. The melee weapons that get selected for each bot are random.

[Lt_Anders]

Define random as its not 100% random from what i know.

Random from selection of weapons right?

[Apsod]

Letting a bot have two different horses and then making the average cost of the two horses be the horse price for that bot is not a good idea. This is because the AI will choose the more expensive horse most of the time.

The problem here is that a bot can have a plated charger and a sumpter horse and almost always use the plated charger, but yet pay just a little bit more than half the cost of the plated charger.

[isatis]

Hum... good idea Tydeus!

To add a little spices here, the Winner of this conquest shall win a pretty 100k of Cochon's money!!

Disclaimer : In order to win the Cochon price, you must use the Kaftan at least one time

[Tydeus]

Letting a bot have two different horses and then making the average cost of the two horses be the horse price for that bot is not a good idea. This is because the AI will choose the more expensive horse most of the time.

The problem here is that a bot can have a plated charger and a sumpter horse and almost always use the plated charger, but yet pay just a little bit more than half the cost of the plated charger.

The mean cost thing is simply for the purposes of having a guideline, clearly we're not going to implement something like that. It's simply a way for people creating factions, to judge how strong/weak their design is.

[wayyyyyne]

The GTX wannabes

Faction Concept : Angry teenage kids, who  rule the mod with their uber pr0 skills


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Proposed Stats:
99 strength
99 agility
33 PS
33 IF
33 Athletics
1000 2h/pole wpf


All hail the master race.

this should come with the bots spamming the chat with "omg wtf" "playing terrible atm" and "stab went through u" for every hit they take

[Thomek]

maybe throw in some loompoints for the winners? to get some serious activity going!