Nudge guide

[Crob28]

Saw STR_Nokeyboard on EU2 with a 1 hander on siege yday, now don't get me wrong he's a damn good player anyways, but considering he seems to have put away his mighty glaive for this nudge business says a lot methinks.

[//saxon]

By default, when I see a player abusing something in order to be "good"

I lose all respect for him.

ah valid reason i guess but people will do whats most fun for them, i personally like roleplaying to the extreme but others find it more fun to look silly etc etc. can't blame him for doing something that he finds fun.

but yeahh i see your point about going the easy path.

[Utrakil]

After reading the changes in the OP I am really looking forward to the next patch.
That will add a lot of new fighting technics to master.

[Phew]

Paul, please please please put nudge and kick on the same cooldown.

[Paul]

Read the guide.

[Duster]

I really like that the current nudge, although broken, is changing peoples strategies and how they play, and I really look forward to how these new nudges will affect combat. Let the whining begin!

[Phew]

Read the guide.

Read the whole thing and missed that part. Thanks!

Also, you should change the Left Straight section that says "with clever movement one can even land a follow-up attack in one-on-one" to "unless you have some kind of severe physical or mental handicap, you will get a free follow-up attack."

Corruption got 4 free hits in a row against me last night using Left Straights followed by a normal left swing from his 100 speed weapon. He didn't have to do any "clever movement", just stand right in front of me and left swing. I had a 103 speed shield equipped and was holding right mouse button whole time.

[Falka]

He promised me patch and didn't deliver.

Updated nudge guide. I'll just pretend the patch already happened because I'm kinda sick waiting for it.

chadz's "the lazy" title is well deserved... 

[Jarold]

Where's bow nudge

Also could you make the nudge key something easier to reach, like R.

[deVada]

One more suggestion - it seems that starting a "shield nudge" (any type) causes your shield to became instantly penetrable.

It happened to me few times that when I started the pushing shield nudge (block + v) in very close distance against a thrusting player - the thrust damaged me through the shield if the thrust was started in the same moment as my nudge. Visually my shield was still protecting me.

Imho shield should stay solid all the time. Maybe mechanics which makes arrows coming from lest hit the shield when you just run with your shield loose on your left arm shall be adapted into nudge.

Anyway - good thing that nudge is. Brings some extra flavour.

[Phew]

One more suggestion - it seems that starting a "shield nudge" (any type) causes your shield to became instantly penetrable.

It happened to me few times that when I started the pushing shield nudge (block + v) in very close distance against a thrusting player - the thrust damaged me through the shield if the thrust was started in the same moment as my nudge. Visually my shield was still protecting me.

Imho shield should stay solid all the time. Maybe mechanics which makes arrows coming from lest hit the shield when you just run with your shield loose on your left arm shall be adapted into nudge.

Anyway - good thing that nudge is. Brings some extra flavour.

Block shield nudge is crazy powerful on siege, since it's basically a 1-button kill that ignores armor (fall death). Because of this, it should probably drop your block throughout the animation like it does now.

[deVada]

Well I like Warband for its realism and not implementing any manga wizards (if not to mention one guy on a flying carpet).

Ofc balance issues are sometimes acceptable, but some obvious "weirdnessesses" are too idiotical to live on (heavy lance with worst damage than normal one or guys thrusting you with a 3 m long pike while standing 50 cm away from you or the cutting power of axe's handle etc.). It just ruins my pleasure.

The punching force of shield nudge can be balanced by using both characters (+ equipment) weight * their strength * speed vectors as factors.
Then strong heavily armed man running fast would punch back a standing still lady in a woolen dress (if not to say "agi w****"  ) and not vice versa.

[Falka]

I like nudges in current state, though I have a few problems with them.

Normal nudge. Stagger is too short. It not only doesnt open the defence for time long enough to land a hit, which is okay according to me, but it also doesnt prevent the victim from making attack almost at the same moment when he's hit by nudge. Which is not okay.

Nudge breaking through the block. How can I defend myself against it? It seems pretty hard to carry out, but I saw one guy making it almost every time

[Paul]

Updated the guide to the new patch.

[Falka]

Maybe it would be reasonable to remove knockdown from nudging friendly archers and xbowers. It's really funny, but also easy to abuse, I think that there's no possibility to report this nudge - someone would have reported me already if it had been possible