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[Panos]

Nationalism starts right from my home, I love my home and I wont let anyone to interfere. Same goes for my locality, my city and my country. Having pride in your home, your country, culture, family, history, and so on isn't bad because it helps the society to have a strong relationship. Being a nationalist, does not make you either a racist, nor a chocolate chip cookie.

I respect all countries the same ( with the exception of Albania and Skopja for obvious reasons  ) , but I just want my country to be strong and proud.

Sad thing is that nationalism was often expressed through forceful tactics in the past, and it`s a bit shunned nowadays, but on the other hand, I will never understand, why, for example communism ain`t shunned and people accept communism with ease.

People tend to forget two things :

1. Communism has killed more people than YMCA + fascism.
2. The father of communism, was allied to the father of YMCA.


I tried to answer you as best as I could.

[Prinz_Karl]

Nationalism tends to evocate just these things like racism or gruesome ideologies, usually. As you say it it's just normal I think, thanks for clarification.

[BASNAK]

for example communism ain`t shunned and people accept communism with ease.

I don't know how it works elsewhere. But in Sweden, Communism is pretty much "shunned". The Secret police  track and spy on people suspected to be Communist or Naz1 if they're involved in politics or the military. It's legal to be Commie but pretty much looked down upon and an unaccepted view from my own experience.

People tend to forget two things :

1. Communism has killed more people than YMCA + fascism.
2. The father of communism, was allied to the father of YMCA.

I don't believe it's Communism it self that caused the mass killing but rather the leaders themselves becoming paranoid. I haven't really heard much wrong about Yugoslavia under Tito which was kind of Commie/Socialist - If you compare with Soviet & Co.

[Panos]

Nationalism tends to evocate just these things like racism or gruesome ideologies, usually. As you say it it's just normal I think, thanks for clarification.

Every ideology evocates some kind of racism/hatred/prejudism.

For example communists hate nationalists, and vice versa, Why is it normal for them to hate nationalists, but on the other hand, when nationalists hate communists, it`s fascism??

[Panos]

I don't believe it's Communism it self that caused the mass killing but rather the leaders themselves becoming paranoid. I haven't really heard much wrong about Yugoslavia under Tito which was kind of Commie/Socialist - If you compare with Soviet & Co.

If we go by your reasoning, then YMCA is totaly innocent, and all the blame falls to einstein.


Tito was not a pure communist, he is the father of "National communism" which actually is a mixture of communim ideologies and nationalist ideologies.
Thats the reason that forced Stalin to kick Tito out of the Communist Information Bureau, he was some kind of nationalist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4581197.stm

[Moncho]

Please tell me that YMCA is the latest surprise by the forum censor

[Gnjus]

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Communism has killed more people than YMCA + fascism.

[Panos]

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Kim Il-sung , Leader of the Workers party in North Korea

From 1948 through 1987 the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was ruled by Kim Il-sung, an absolute communist dictator who has turned his country into an Orwellian state. People were so tightly controlled in all their activities, and those visitors that were allowed in were so managed, that comparatively little independent information about the regime's purges, executions, and concentration and forced labor camps filtered out of the country. Nonetheless, through defectors, escapees, agents, Korean War refugees, and analyses of Korean publications and documents, a hazy picture emerges of systematic democide little different than that carried out in the first decades of the Soviet Union or early communist China.
Perhaps from 710,000 to slightly over 3,500,000 people have been murdered, with a mid-estimate of almost 1,600,000.

Pol Pot , Cambodian communist leader

In order to achieve the “ideal” communist model, the Khmer Rouge believed that all Cambodians must be made to work as laborer in one huge federation of collective farms; anyone in opposition to this system must be eliminated. This list of “potential opposition” included, but was not limited to, intellectuals, educated people, professionals, monks, religious enthusiasts, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, ethnic Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, and Cambodians with Chinese, Vietnamese or Thai ancestry. The Khmer Rouge also vigorously interrogated its own membership, and frequently executed members on suspicions of treachery or sabotage. Survival in Khmer Rouge Cambodia was determined by one’s ability to work. Therefore, Cambodia’s elderly, handicapped, ill, and children suffered enormous casualties for their inability to perform unceasing physical labor on a daily basis.

Victim Count : 1.7 mil Cambodians died, most of them in Gulags.



Joseph Stalin, biggest mass murderer ever

Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

Repression was central to Stalin's leadership from the beginning. Throughout the period from 1929 to 1953 the regime employed tactics of terror, arresting people on false charges of conspiracy and espionage, then either executing them or sentencing them to labor camps, where they toiled in harsh, debilitating conditions. Chronic absenteeism at work or picking up grain husks from a harvested field could bring a ten-year sentence. According to one scholar, over twenty-eight million Soviet citizens passed through the forced labor camps and colonies between 1929 and 1953. Located all across the Soviet Union, in every time zone, the camps were filthy, brutal, and dehumanizing. Death rates were high, averaging about 6 percent per year. One archival source states that over two million inmates died in the camps between 1929 and 1953, but this does not include all categories of prisoners.

The height of the Stalinist repression, known as the Great Terror, lasted from 1936 to 1939. The majority of victims during this period were from the Communist Party, the economic ministries, the military, the Communist International, and minority nationalities. No precise figures exist. Official KGB figures for 1937938 claim that just under 700,000 were executed and that at the beginning of the 1940s there were about 3.6 million in labor camps and prisons. Stephen Wheatcroft and R. W. Davies have calculated that the total number of excess deaths from 1927 to 1938 may have amounted to some ten million persons, 8.5 million killed between 1927 and 1936 and about 1 to 1.5 million between 1937 and 1938.

During World War II, the Stalinist regime carried out ethnic cleansing, though the exact motives remain unclear. It deported 400,000 Volga Germans to Central Asia and Siberia out of fear that they would support the invading enemy. Between 1943 and 1944, Stalin ordered the deportation of about a million Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Balkars, Kalmiks, and Turks from their homelands to Central Asia, alleging that they had collaborated with the Germans. Transported in sealed boxcars, with no fresh air, proper food, sanitation, or medical care, as many as 40 percent died along the way from hunger, cold, and disease. Those who resisted the deportation were shot. Prior to the war, in 1940, Stalin had ordered the execution of 21,857 Poles. Of these, over 4,000 were officers who were shot and buried in mass graves in the Katyn Forest (Smolensk region). This crime was denied by the Soviet regime for fifty years.

After the war, smaller-scale repressions continued to fill the camps. The number of prisoners rose from 1,460,676 in 1945 to 2,468,524 in 1953. The postwar period was marked by fierce attacks on creative artists, deportations of Balt, Moldavian, and Ukrainian populations, and a virulent anti-Semitic campaign that culminated in the arrests in 1953 of nine Kremlin doctors on charges of murder and treason. In addition, there were
A portrait of Joseph Stalin to commemorate his seventieth birthday, on December 21, 1949. Communists around the world sent gifts to Stalin in 1949. During his lifetime he was often admired as a great world leaderusually by those living outside the Soviet Union (where little was known about its Gulags, mass executions, and state terrorism). [AP/WORLD WIDE PHOTOS]
over four million foreign POWs in the camp system, many of whom either died in captivity or had to wait up to ten years for repatriation.

Mao Zedong , Chinese communist leader

The genocide that took place during Mao Zedong's rule in China is by far one of the worst genocides in history; worst being in terms of lives lost. It is estimated that Mao Zedong more than quadrupled the death toll of that during einstein's rule in Germany. From 1958-1961, which was known as the Great Leap Forward, the most lives were lost. Many people were tortured, and many others went missing.

Lives lost in this genocide
The entire time period of this genocide was from 1958 to 1969. There were different segments during this time in which greater losses occurred. The worst being the three years of the Great Leap Forward, in which anywhere from 16 to 40 million lives were lost. The total amount - making this one of the worst genocides - is at minimum 45 million. This amount varies up to 70 million since new death records uncover more details. With the evidence being hidden, researchers must carefully search China's documents.

Reasons
One reason behind this genocide, is that Mao Zedong wanted China to catch up economically with the western world; setting a goal of little over a decade to equal production output of competitors such as Great Britain. Land was taken from farmers due to the growth of communism, and steel grew as the main import; over 50%. With metal being purchased, there was less money left for food production. This of course led to famine. Many opposed this rapid change, but that only led to their death. In the first year, over half a million had been sentenced to their demise.

Mao Zedong wanted more than just a change in production level. He also wanted to destroy Chinese family culture. Reason being is that it opposed his preferred utopian ideas. Such thoughts were in the opposite direction of capitalism; focusing on equal distribution. This period of reform became known as the Cultural Revolution and took place from 1966-1969; with anywhere up to 30 million being murdered. From these horrifying numbers, it is easy to understand why this is one of the worst genocides in history.

 

[Panos]

Anyway, enough with political talk.

Let`s enjoy some manly music..

[Prpavi]

Counting communist vs chocolate chip cookie death toll is not an easy task, since you still count communist crimes untill today while chocolate chip cookie crimes supposedly stopped after WW2, I'd count all the US "freedom wars" victims as chocolate chip cookie victims also because but that is just my view  The biggest problem with communism is it grants one man all the power. Power corrupts, Absolut power corrupts absolutley.

Don't really get natinalism tbh. I do also care for my home, neighborhood and my hometown but couldn't give less crap about my country or any country for that matter. I always tought countries were too big of a community to have any kind of real not fabricaed cohesion. religion, race all that is brought froward in wars to make a sense of false unity. Let's fight for imaginary lines on the ground because over that imaginary line stands a couuntry with people very similar to ours yet they suck and should be killed, conquered instead befrended. So yes I do care about the community I have real contacts with and I would protect it and work on making it better but tbh I get allong better with different people of different religins and races from all over the world that share some openminded similar views about life in general than I get allong with half of my biggot racist bible thomping countrymen.

[Casimir]

Penos banned again?

[FleetFox]

Penos banned again?

Counting communist vs chocolate chip cookie death toll is not an easy task, since you still count communist crimes untill today while chocolate chip cookie crimes supposedly stopped after WW2, I'd count all the US "freedom wars" victims as chocolate chip cookie victims also because but that is just my view  The biggest problem with communism is it grants one man all the power. Power corrupts, Absolut power corrupts absolutley.

Don't really get natinalism tbh. I do also care for my home, neighborhood and my hometown but couldn't give less crap about my country or any country for that matter. I always tought countries were too big of a community to have any kind of real not fabricaed cohesion. religion, race all that is brought froward in wars to make a sense of false unity. Let's fight for imaginary lines on the ground because over that imaginary line stands a couuntry with people very similar to ours yet they suck and should be killed, conquered instead befrended. So yes I do care about the community I have real contacts with and I would protect it and work on making it better but tbh I get allong better with different people of different religins and races from all over the world that share some openminded similar views about life in general than I get allong with half of my biggot racist bible thomping countrymen.

one of the best posts i have read on this forum, +1 its exactly how view nationalism.

[darmaster]

Every ideology evocates some kind of racism/hatred/prejudism.

For example communists hate nationalists, and vice versa, Why is it normal for them to hate nationalists, but on the other hand, when nationalists hate communists, it`s fascism??

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hmm dear panos, your avatar is honestly ridiculous; the way you attack left side is ridiculous, but most of all the fact that you keep comparing communism to nª zism and fascism is the ridiculous; you see politic with child's eyes, simply as a challenge at who has killed the less.

just to be clear, the basic idea of nª zism is to declare the supremacy of the white race, by purifying all the others; now i won't discuss if they did it or not etc this is not the point of my argument; the basic idea communism was instead to purify the world from the bourgeoisie, bringing equality to all men; this had to be done most of the time violently.

now if you have to pick the best one between nª zism and communism (i'd say the "less worse") ofc communism has to be; this because, unlike nª zism, at least the ideology is objectively appreciable, but unfortunately mankind is not ready to accept such things, as it had been shown by the previous communism.
you shouldn't blame communism for all those massive murders, you should blame the mankind and its lust/madness/ignorance.

also i'll tell you something else: put away that nationalism of yours, it won't be of any utility; the truth is that the world will be always more cosmopolitan, probably one day we will understand and speak the same language, and no matter what, cultures and traditions will die, all for the sake of progress.

and honestly, i'm starting to think you're an ultra right side exponent, a fascist, probably affected by the situation certainly not positive your country is living now; and, though i really hope i'm wrong, i also would like you to start accepting the fact your ideas seem to be a bit too much conservative to be called politically neutral.

i know this could seem an unfair post since you've just been banned, but i just saw what you guys have written here, and i wanted to show my vision, even though i could be wrong (:

[Ulmarth]

Just to let you guys know that Panos has got himself banned again. His message to me :

Varangian_Panos_the_Bear
29/06/2013 15:58:48
to Varangian_Ulmarth
Cmp, banned me once again because I cursed a guy at the forum


Sorry that I let you down dude, I want expecting to be banned because I called someone a my old friend.

Anyways, you can keep the clan if you want , disband it , I don`t know.

Have fun man.


As of now i dont have any idea what i will do with this as i am not as active as i once was (3 jobs ).

I will let everyone know in a few days i guess.

[darmaster]

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Just to let you guys know that Panos has got himself banned again. His message to me :

Varangian_Panos_the_Bear
29/06/2013 15:58:48
to Varangian_Ulmarth
Cmp, banned me once again because I cursed a guy at the forum


Sorry that I let you down dude, I want expecting to be banned because I called someone a my old friend.

Anyways, you can keep the clan if you want , disband it , I don`t know.

Have fun man.


As of now i dont have any idea what i will do with this as i am not as active as i once was (3 jobs ).

I will let everyone know in a few days i guess.

hope he'll be back, maybe another cd key, maybe given by someone of the community. i wouldn't disband honestly, cmp might think about this ban.