Sword carried on hip should equal 1 weapon slot

[Keshian]

It just makes aesthetic sense, if you carry something on your back or in both your hands to run its two slots and the left hip and right hip are each 1 slot.  Under this all the new slot changes make sense except the bastard/heavy bastard/longswords, which are carried on the hip (like strong/khergit bows and all the 1handed swords) and when you run with them they are held in one hand.  They even are swung 1 handed if equipped with a shield or if you hit x.  This is not some OP thing for archers/xbowmen that don't use a 0 slot item to use these weapons as 1 slot items and would make 2h/archers use more than just the spiked mace.  it also makes a lot of sense because:

Katana (1h/2h) = 95 length
Bastard sword (1h/2h) = 101 length
Heavy Bastard sword (1h/2h) = 105 length
Longsword (1h/2h) = 106 length
vs.
Arabian Cavalry Sword (1h) = 105 length
Nordic Champion's Sword (1h) = 102 length
Long Espada Eslavona (1h) = 103 length
Long Arming Sword (1h) = 102 length
Shaska (1h) = 103 length
Elite Scimitar (1h) = 100 length (heavily curved so actually 115)

Would appreciate any comments and please vote in the poll.  No archers/xbowman are pulling out flamberges in a fight anymore, pulling a 1h/2h bastardized sword is rather balanced as there are many pure 1handed weapons (not including the 2 1hed weapons that switch to 2h) that are just as long if not longer than these 1h/2h swords and get only 1 slot.  After these set of swords the length of the 2handed swords jump up 10 length or become very wide axes and cleavers, so longsword is the appropriate cutoff point at 106 length with a slender blade.

[Espu]

So after this change, why would any archer/xbower use a 1h sidearm? Everyone would have katana or longsword.

Current situation gives a lot more variance. I see archers carrying maces, swords, picks, whatever. Very cool.

[Magikarp]

Hip carrying has nothing to do with the slot system.

You seem to mistake realism with balance.

A common mistake lately.

[Keshian]

So after this change, why would any archer/xbower use a 1h sidearm? Everyone would have katana or longsword.

Current situation gives a lot more variance. I see archers carrying maces, swords, picks, whatever. Very cool.

Not really, most archers dont have 1handed weapon proficiency, so I see half using the ONLY 1 slot 2hander (kind of silly only 1 even polearms have more and they are longer -qurter staff, shortened spear, staff, etc.) iron mace, the 3 or more polearms 1 slot, and the other half using the 0 slot weapons either hammer or hand axe, so they get extra ammo.  Its rather silly to say the least.  Especially since there are one-handers longer with wider and heavier blades than the 1h/2h swords I described.  In fact, the very fact they are 1h/2h swords should make it obvious they fit in the same category as other 1hers for 1 slot.  All of which are carried on one hip just like all the current one slot items.  I personally really enjoy the iron mace, but the lack of diversity is inane, all I see is other iron maces, all fighting each other.

Seems strange that poelarms, which are by nature longer and larger have multiple 1 slot weapons to choose from while those who use 2handers have only 1 option: iron mace.  Doesn't make a lot of sense, obviously a quick decision was made initially, but looking it over with a more reasonable light it makes a lot of sense for bastardized 1h/2h weapons to be 1 slot.

[EponiCo]

Katana (1h/2h) = 95 length
Bastard sword (1h/2h) = 101 length
Heavy Bastard sword (1h/2h) = 105 length
Longsword (1h/2h) = 106 length
vs.
Arabian Cavalry Sword (1h) = 105 length
Nordic Champion's Sword (1h) = 102 length
Long Espada Eslavona (1h) = 103 length
Long Arming Sword (1h) = 102 length
Shaska (1h) = 103 length
Elite Scimitar (1h) = 100 length (heavily curved so actually 115)

I'm pretty sure 2h swords have some additional reach and speed, that isn't shown in stats, also curvature has nothing to do with it (other than that it makes the sword look shorter which can be a bit unfair). I agree though, that it wouldn't be OP, though, horse archers might love the 2h swords.

[Keshian]

Actually most of the 1handed swords are faster, the only way they become slower is if used with a shield.  And with the new patch the additional shadow reach of 2hers got nerfed and is actually decreased reach (what some of the people complaining about the flamberge nerf being too much noted).

[Paul]

Longsword, katana, bastard sword are too powerful for the 1 slot status. We'll hybridize more 1h weapons to increase the 1slot 2h selection though, so 2h specced archers have a bit bigger selection. And it was not a quick decision. We thought quite alot about this.

[La Makina]

Not really, most archers dont have 1handed weapon proficiency, so I see half using the ONLY 1 slot 2hander

I think these archers you mention have a pre-patch built (hybrids some WPF in 2 handed) and now they use the only 2H weapon that counts for 1 slot (mace) to keep arrows. For the next retirement, less and less will invest in 2handed WPF.

Agree with Vargas: if the bastard swords are 1 slot, all hybrids will use them.

Regarding the 1 slot polearms, I think all polearms should be minimum 2 slots.

[Torp]

Regarding the 1 slot polearms, I think all polearms should be minimum 2 slots.

i totally see how the staff is so OP that it needs to take 2 slots

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NOOOOOOT!

[Camaris]

I am using Heavy Bastard Sword as a pure 2-Hand char.
It is very fast and does heirloomed good damage. Its so fast
it works well without any WPF invested.

I would love to see it 1 Slot that i can use shield and Spear in addition but
then every ranged sucker would use my lovely weapon. SO..... NOOOOOT.
Keep it 2-Slot.

[Glyph]

keep it 2 slot. you can already see that the archers and crossbowmen are all taking the spiked mace if they have a slot left, and that thing sucks compared to these weapons. so you can imagine that the ranged people would all take these kind of weapons. and the slot system doesn't have to do anything with carrying weapons on your belt. and if it would you could also count: it has 2modes so 2 slots
NO!!!

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Hip carrying has nothing to do with the slot system.

You seem to mistake realism with balance.

A common mistake lately.

[Keshian]

Wow, now I finally see what's really behind it, not that some of the shortest 2handers are OP (far less damage and reach), but that you don't like the idea of an archer with 75 wpf in 2h whooping your ass with a short blade when you have 150 wpf in 2h or polearm using an elegant poleaxe or german greatsword because you can't manual block.

Honestly at this point I like the iron mace but it gets really boring running around with  always the same weapon so often I will just go no melee weapon, shoot, and if melee appears near just run away with 7 soon to be 8 athletics and lighter armor.  Thats what people really want: kiting archers.  If I really feel like meleeing once I use up my 2-3 stacks of arrows depending on bow i just run over and pick up someone's dropped german greatsword or highland claymore.

These swords are no different than the 1hers I listed earlier except they can be used 2handed and thereby use 2handed melee wpf.  Similar damage, sometimes even less reach, and the same speeds.  Others who actually will retire and respec will be using almost identical weapons with 1 slot because they are 1h (though it sounds like paul might make them hybridized too).  It makes sense to ahve the shortest, cheapest 2handers be 1 slot just like the longer polearms have several.  And no bastard sword is not OP by any means, its very very short, same thing with katana.  If you are really intimidated by a guy with 75 wpf in 2h using a bastard sword and thereby voted no on the poll, I would highly suggest a lot more time in the duel server. 


And Paul, if you consider 1-slots based on how powerful they are, why is the basic axe and pratice sword 2-slot items which would fit into the category of weak, but are carried on the back and not the hip.

[Paul]

I have a 2h specced archer, 60 wpf. Even with the spiked mace now, he is super effective. And I can manual block... a bit.

[Huey Newton]

Say yes to bastard sword takes 1 slot
it's only slightly bigger than some 1hers
maybe heavy bastard sword for 1 slot

i say longsword should take 2 slots still
it hits hard it's fast
a tad short but manual blockig takes care of that slightly shorter range than other 2h