Nerf archers more pls

[Sniger]

Yeah, I agree. Devs also should remove attacking while jumping for infantry, because this also has no sense at all. If you want to attack, stay on the ground, don't jump like a monkey.
You can't put proper force to strike when you are not standing on the ground, so they should remove this sillyness from the game!

1. monkey-jumping (im a monkey \0/ ) is to quickly gain range.
2. ive tried swing a sword while jumping IRL, works fine. 1h stab-jumps should perhaps be nerfed, ill give you that

[owens]

Playing against a horse archer on NA_1 a few nights ago i had over 8kg of arrows stuck into me with only 41 body armour and I was on 1/2 health (21str 7IF).



Archery is clearly not working. The difference between the big bows and little bows is too great and looming too beneficial. Balancing a class as general as this is impossible. Looming and the bow range need to be regulated and restatted.
 
Until this happens archery will suck.

[Ulter]

1. monkey-jumping (im a monkey \0/ ) is to quickly gain range.
2. ive tried swing a sword while jumping IRL, works fine. 1h stab-jumps should perhaps be nerfed, ill give you that

Of course you can swing a sword while jumping IRL

...but it has no practical use, and in Warband it just looks terribly retarded.
Not to mention that Warband jumping has nothing to do with that in real life.

[Kafein]

IRL jumping doesn't give you a free instant speed boost in any direction like it is used in warband fights.

RL people don't glide around each other like pieces of soap either, but that's not the same problem.

[Ronin]

IRL jumping doesn't give you a free instant speed boost in any direction like it is used in warband fights.

RL people don't glide around each other like pieces of soap either, but that's not the same problem.

We must use vikingr mechanics.

[Belatu]

Yes, clearly, because endless kiting was never a problem. Oh, wait..

It was a problem only for brainless heroes and people who play this game like a streetfighter arcade

[Joker86]

It was a problem only for brainless heroes and people who play this game like a streetfighter arcade

In most cases yes, but if the most skilled melee players face the most skilled archer players, and kiting is possible, the archers will have the upper hand. The more players are involved in that scenario, the bigger the advantage for the archers.

[Kafein]

It was a problem only for brainless heroes and people who play this game like a streetfighter arcade

It is a problem for people who don't usually die in melee. Then suddenly they are forced to kill kiting archers, and no amount of skill can help you do that.

Calling them "brainless heroes" is funny, because that supposes there's some magical effective counter to kiting. What is it ?

[Ulter]

It is a problem for people who don't usually die in melee. Then suddenly they are forced to kill kiting archers, and no amount of skill can help you do that.

Calling them "brainless heroes" is funny, because that supposes there's some magical effective counter to kiting. What is it ?

Siege

[Belatu]

Siege

nice one

[Joker86]

Siege

Proof for the truth of my theory that conquest mode would fix class balance issues.

Gief conquest mode naow!

[Rumblood]

Calling them "brainless heroes" is funny, because that supposes there's some magical effective counter to kiting. What is it ?

It is MOTF. It simply needs to be adjusted to a better mechnism than its current state.

[Berserkadin]

Instead of all stupid nerfs we would need a more tactical gamemode that's not based around killing the other team.

[Joker86]

It is MOTF. It simply needs to be adjusted to a better mechnism than its current state.

So up to this date there effectively was no counter. Except of... like... hiding until the MOTF pops up, which from a game design point of view concerning the flow and motivation of gameplay is a complete disaster.

Still I don't understand why all archers rather prefer to complain about nerfs instead of supporting the conquest mode idea, which would fix the real problem (instad of only trying to cure the symptoms, which hasn't helped much up to this very day, the same problems still persist) and would finally allow the devs to buff archers to a reasonable level again.

[Rumblood]

So up to this date there effectively was no counter. Except of... like... hiding until the MOTF pops up, which from a game design point of view concerning the flow and motivation of gameplay is a complete disaster.

Still I don't understand why all archers rather prefer to complain about nerfs instead of supporting the conquest mode idea, which would fix the real problem (instad of only trying to cure the symptoms, which hasn't helped much up to this very day, the same problems still persist) and would finally allow the devs to buff archers to a reasonable level again.

There are many ways to address the kiting "issue" that don't involve new game modes or absurd nerfs to archery. Various threads have detailed ways for it to be done, but given the limitations of the game engine and the limitation of development resources, the "easy" method of nerf has been the one chosen.
On top of that, I don't think that you can point out a single instance of an archer who has voiced an opposition to a conquest mode idea. Many, in fact, have already voiced their support. Don't try to pin a lack of one on archers