Excuse me, what? 0 slots swords?

[Phew]

How many were using the shortswords before they became 0 slot? That's how good they are.

Also:

Broad Short Sword and Short Nordic War got massive stats buffs at the same time they got reduced to 0-slot. I see plenty of dedicated 1h players (not archers) using both weapons now, because they are balanced with the top-tier 1h swords (shorter, but much faster). A +3 Broad Short Sword is particularly deadly in the hands of an agility swashbuckler, as they can achieve massive speed bonus on their thrusts.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I'd say instead of giving archers these "good" 0 slot weapons and giving more shields 0 difficulty, we revert back a lot of these nerfs, and tell people to change the way they are playing instead of nerfing the way other people play against them.  Don't want to get kited?  Don't chase the archer.  Don't want to get shot by archers?  Don't run aimlessly up a hill while being surrounded by 10 archers.  Problem solved.

I still don't agree with the justification of many nerfs over the last 1.5 years.  Only one I can come up with off the top of my head that I think is justified is the crossbow/light crossbow going to 2 slots (but even that fucked over a lot of people, even though I think it was a justified nerf)

"Standard dev response to QQ'ers and baddies:  C-rpg will not be nerfing or buffing because you refuse to use teamwork or tactics.  Have a good day sir." Stop asking for balance changes and use teamwork you fucking scrub.

[CrazyCracka420]

"Standard dev response to QQ'ers and baddies:  C-rpg will not be nerfing or buffing because you refuse to use teamwork or tactics.  Have a good day sir." Stop asking for balance changes and use teamwork you fucking scrub.

Since I can tell you're not very good at this whole logic thing I'll break it down for you like I would a child.

Archers exist
Developers make changes to make archers less able to "kite"
I suggest that they remove these nerfs (aka revert the balance changes that they made)
You tell me to stop asking for balance changes

Do you see what you did?  I'm not asking for balance changes, I'm suggesting that they remove the nerfs that were unnecessary in the first place.  And to be completely honest I don't care one way or another if crossbows/light crossbows are 1 slot or 2.  I think that them being 2 makes sense.  If I was given a choice to keep all the existing nerfs over the last year and half (including the crossbows) or to remove all the nerfs over the last year and half, I'm pretty sure you can guess which one I'm going to pick.

[Phew]

If I was given a choice to keep all the existing nerfs over the last year and half (including the crossbows) or to remove all the nerfs over the last year and half, I'm pretty sure you can guess which one I'm going to pick.

I don't know, I think most of the recent nerfs have improved the crpg experience:

-No more 2h heroes with crossbow sidearms that can 2-shot everyone from any range
-Archers now stand and fight if you catch them in melee, rather than run around like sissies (and it turns out that many archers are quite good at melee, which makes the fights pretty fun)
-Much more cavalry variety (instead of everyone being a great lancer on a destrier/courser)

[Kafein]

Since I can tell you're not very good at this whole logic thing I'll break it down for you like I would a child.

Archers exist
Developers make changes to make archers less able to "kite"
I suggest that they remove these nerfs (aka revert the balance changes that they made)
You tell me to stop asking for balance changes

Do you see what you did?  I'm not asking for balance changes, I'm suggesting that they remove the nerfs that were unnecessary in the first place.  And to be completely honest I don't care one way or another if crossbows/light crossbows are 1 slot or 2.  I think that them being 2 makes sense.  If I was given a choice to keep all the existing nerfs over the last year and half (including the crossbows) or to remove all the nerfs over the last year and half, I'm pretty sure you can guess which one I'm going to pick.

You are the one not following logic here.

The state of the game before the X last balance patches was itself a result of balance patches. Changing the state of the game as it currently is is asking for change, like it or not. Call it "removing nerfs" if you want, that's still a change.

Unless you are actually lobbying for a determined balance state, in which case your catchy phrase "Standard dev response to QQ'ers and baddies:  C-rpg will not be nerfing or buffing because you refuse to use teamwork or tactics.  Have a good day sir." is total moot, because you are being a QQer yourself.

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm not qq'ing, I'm saying that I would prefer if they stop making balance changes which end up just nerfing classes and equipment.  The game is and was fine in many of it's different iterations. 

I'm not lobbying to remove the changes they have made, I'm saying I would be okay if they reverted their changes.

While going back to an original state would certainly be a change from today, I'm not lobbying for new changes to be made, simply removing old ones...so yes, you got me Kafein, if they revert the changes they have made, it would be a change from today's existing game play.  +1 internet for you sir.