Lancer cav

[LordRichrich]

at low speeds cav is fine, was overpowerd to 1 shot while trotting through the enemy, carefully maneuvering by pikes and infantry remotely paying attention. But it is kind of annoying having to stab naked people and super light armored people going so fast that 1 rock will 1 shot you if you get hit, and having to stab them 2-3 times at full speed. Even worse, is if your not at full speed with the heavy lance, it is correctly mocked as the heavy glance.

I do thank the devs for the challenge, but i wouldn't mind some speed bonus love, or just faster horses.

I beleive they wanted cav as a support class, weaken the enemy before the main melee starts and pick off wounded. Same function as archers. If you're cav and chasing naked guys, you're doing it wrong. Play the team role, couch shielders, hit heavily armed 2h's etc etc

cRPG players need less focus on glory hunting and more on teamwork. Hell, even follow a friendly cav and lance the targets he just lanced!

[owens]

I think the problem with lancer cav is how weak it is against 1H cav.


It is easy enough for a 1H cav being chased to get behind a lancer using a wall tree or another obstacle or just letting the lancer glance due to the very poor/null speed bonus.

because lances had much of there radius taken away they are very weak against any two hander with a stab.



In my opinion the damage is good but horses are far too weak. Its easier to kill a horse than a man!

[DUKE DICKBUTT]

You can tell Lance cav has been over nerfed, because they are not 1-hitting naked peasants.  Heavy cavalry were the tanks of the medieval battlefields.  Is it so hard to believe that a warrior with the most expensive horse, armor and weapons couldn't one shit kill a naked man while moving at full speed?  Clearly that is broken.

It is a bit tricky to balance properly though, since armor does so little against pierce damage.  I say we raise Heavy Lance damage by 1, and see what happens.  You guys have to remember that this is not just a -1 damage net nerf from where lances were 6 months ago.  Armor in general got a buff, and horses got nerfed.  And you now take about half damage if you are moving away from a strike.  Horses have a much harder time getting out of a crowded area now due to reduced charge damage, and the rider and horse become a valour pinata as soon as it comes to a stop.  Currently, lancing on any type of elevation is a lost cause since the damage is so bad.

I beleive they wanted cav as a support class, weaken the enemy before the main melee starts and pick off wounded. Same function as archers. If you're cav and chasing naked guys, you're doing it wrong. Play the team role, couch shielders, hit heavily armed 2h's etc etc

cRPG players need less focus on glory hunting and more on teamwork. Hell, even follow a friendly cav and lance the targets he just lanced!

Then why is it that Pikers can effectively solo so many infantry and Cavalry in Strategus?  Clearly their focus is not on making the right things into support class.

[Panos]

What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

IMO Risen, couching is the only thing that should insta kill. Lance poking is about as effective as throwing rolled up 50$ bills at people and hoping they will die from shock. Couched lances pretty much always wipe out there target unless of course the speed bonus gets pwned somehow.

[Torben]

What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..

na im pretty sure its more because dedicated loomed cavalry at the peak of there power could take on a hole team and win.  pretty much no matter what horse they used,  be it arab,  courser, cataphrac or mamluk.

the changes were fair,  anit cav got buffed,  lancer cav got nerfed.  in the process,  1h cav got more popular (it was strong before (look at ugly bastard on his charger),  but lancers had a great edge due to there angle)

a few things that concern me,  especially concidering lancer cav: 
non loomed low level cav might be a bit underpowered.  as cav you are a great target for ranged,  so i kinda pitty the newbies to lancing.
very low damage vs low armored men.  this can be frustrating,  but tbh,  if you hit the person at the sweetspot,  you usually do oneshot.
very low charge.  Im not complaining about bump damage,  it could be 0 for all i care.  but not beeng able to get passed a standing peasant is awkward.  at least heavier horses should get passed one man at any low speed.
the heavy lance.  ok so the damage is meh, who cares. but its so dam slow,  putting it to a great disadvantage to any other mounted weapon :'/  it actually feels like it does about the same damage as a lance,  i dont complain about that.  but its speed makes it a predictable weapon with less room for finess

edit:

IMO Risen, couching is the only thing that should insta kill. Lance poking is about as effective as throwing rolled up 50$ bills at people and hoping they will die from shock. Couched lances pretty much always wipe out there target unless of course the speed bonus gets pwned somehow.

unfortunatly a couched charge into a low-medium armored target can be a mere scratch.

[polkafranzi]

What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..

cunts.

[CrazyCracka420]

The heavy lance was slightly unnerfed, and I only use it in strat battles for the most part...but unless I'm riding a courser (or stabbing another horseman who's coming directly at me) it's pretty damn useless.  Try using a heavy lance from an armored horse, or any horse that is under 42 speed, and you'll want to pull your hair out.

I wouldn't so much mind the current heavy lance damage, if couching actually did something useful.  It seems like when I thrust the heavy lance I do more damage than couching, and that's just plain wrong. 

*EDIT* I have 7 power strike and 6 riding

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Lancer cav is supposed to 1 shot basically anything..... But it can't...

and where is that written?

other than that, yes lancer cav is rather weak. I actually think that the super old lance wide lance radius was more fun because you could do something else than backstab unaware, but of course this was also shit.

[Necrorave]

Make heavy lance couchable on foot with 9 athletics and I'm happy.

[Strudog]

Lancer cav is perfectly fine, if you are patient and don't charge into unfavourable situations hoping to get lucky by getting a kill, you can easily do very well.
When i am playing patiently with my lancer i can post scores like 18-0, but when i am eratic i tend to get 4-4 or something like that.

Damage is good
Horse Hp is good
Manoeuvrability is good

It is probably the most balanced class out there

[Teeth]

I personally think lancer cav needs an unnerf....

2h isn't OP IMO, just be an archer... It's the hoplites that are OP

Classic

[CrazyCracka420]

Lancer cav is perfectly fine, if you are patient and don't charge into unfavourable situations hoping to get lucky by getting a kill, you can easily do very well.
When i am playing patiently with my lancer i can post scores like 18-0, but when i am eratic i tend to get 4-4 or something like that.

Damage is good
Horse Hp is good
Manoeuvrability is good

It is probably the most balanced class out there

What horse/weapon are you using, and what is your riding/power strike?

[duurrr]

Dorothy something 1shots my arabian with throwing dagger and you want it to be nerfed?

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[Strudog]

What horse/weapon are you using, and what is your riding/power strike?

Using the Champion Courser (very underrated horse)
Using a MW Lance

Currentl lvl 27

18/18

2 IF
6PS
6 Athl
6 Riding

103 Wpf

Lvl 30 build that iwill be going for:

18/21

3 iF
6 PS
7 Athl
7 Riding

i may go 21/18