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Are repairs fair ?
« on: April 15, 2013, 10:53:55 pm »
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I don't know why , but I know how I lost 60k since 3 weeks : by repairing my +3 longbow each round ... And if I answer if a cav gains money , that's  a yes , whereas they have 50 body armor + cavalry sword + horse to pay ... I really wonder if repair system is usefull and helpfull for new guys ...

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 10:55:01 pm »
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It's unfair because upkeep is far too low for any item.
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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 11:08:41 pm »
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And some item cost too much( ex : arbalest : 1315 gold each round wtf , longbow , 777 gold ). I don't blame prizes , they are fine I think , but they have to put to 2% the chance to get repairs on an item, becauseif you pay 1315 or 777 gold each round ,  you'll become a peasant soon

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 11:13:06 pm »
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It's unfair because upkeep is far too low for any item.

Remove valor. This way high tier item-stackers can't whore x5 all day.

And about the arbalest costing too much. That shiet 1shots people from across the map. It should cost even more.

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 11:16:46 pm »
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I said I don't care of prize of items , I just want devs reduce the frequence of upkeeps !!! That's a pain , I had 175 k last month, now , I have 100 k  lol

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 11:25:15 pm »
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And some item cost too much( ex : arbalest : 1315 gold each round wtf , longbow , 777 gold ). I don't blame prizes , they are fine I think , but they have to put to 2% the chance to get repairs on an item, becauseif you pay 1315 or 777 gold each round ,  you'll become a peasant soon

See it this way:

Arba costs 1300 gold + bolts 350 (2 stacks) + 0slot 1h 300 gold (or 1 stack bolts + mace)
Long Bow 777 gold + arrows 700 (2 stacks) + 0slot 1h 300 gold (or 1 stack of arrows + 1slot wep)

Greatsword 883 gold, German Greatsword about 1100 gold
GLA 885 gold, Poleaxe 1000 gold, Heavy Lance 700 gold
Side Sword 575 gold + Heavy Round Shield 300 gold

Destrier 1600 gold, Large Warhorse 2400 gold

Seeing the weapons (+ bolts), ranged class pay more than melee classes or similar prices unless you take a horse, then you probably pay triple upkeep.
The only big difference is the armor gear you use!
How much do most Archers pay for their gear? 50-100 gold for boots? 100 gold for mittens? Head armor 0 - 200? Body Armor about 200?
That's the very lighest gear most infantry/cav players take, would ever take. Most got for medium armored gear which is at about 1,500 to 2,500 upkeep. :)

After all, considering the "higher" chance of arrows to break, all classes mostly pay a similar amount of upkeep. If you are lucky, you'll never pay that often and save lots of gold and get a high income, without doing much on the marketplace or selling a LP. ;)

After all, I still think upkeep is quite too low, and the chance of repair often gives me either no upkeep at all or 3-5 items... :P

edit: You lost 75k in total? That doesn't sound much at all, if I'd play with my usual gear and pay at least 1 item every second round, I'd go broke after a month too while having x2 or x3 most of the time (if you only consider the income). I got money stored, as I retired quite often, so I will actually never get broke. :)
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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 11:34:54 pm »
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It'd probably be less annoying if upkeep was more frequent but less costly and as a result, less random.
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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 11:45:34 pm »
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Don't complain about high upkeep as an archer.
You pay nothing compared to tincans or heavy cavalry but can still take on several of those guys alone.

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 11:47:04 pm »
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All of us started with 100 gold. Some before upkeep was introduced, some afterwards, other restarted with a new char afterwards (like me). Yes, many of us got enough gold due to many generations, but we did those generations. When I was gen 7 I had 2 MW items and about 500k gold... now I'm close to gen 29, got about the same amount of gold and some MW more. ;)

That's why it's probably not bad to sell the very first LP and get the first MW in gen 4. Playing with cheap gear and doing marketplace stuff does ofc help.
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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2013, 11:58:55 pm »
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my +3 longbow

You probably have minimal effective wpf for both archery and whatever sidearm you use, which increases the incidence of broken equipment. I don't have the numbers at my fingertips but I remember reading a Tears of Destiny post quoting break chance at something like "11% per minute for 1 wpf, 2.5% per minute for 140 wpf."

edit: remember each point of power draw is -14 effective wpf.

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 12:07:48 am »
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And some item cost too much( ex : arbalest : 1315 gold each round wtf , longbow , 777 gold ). I don't blame prizes , they are fine I think , but they have to put to 2% the chance to get repairs on an item, becauseif you pay 1315 or 777 gold each round ,  you'll become a peasant soon

Bows and arrows break more often than any other equipment, so any direct comparison is invalid.
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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 12:10:10 am »
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Are you an archer? I think archers have increased upkeep chance.

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 12:33:11 am »
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Im currently playing my HA basically exclusively. Which means, i am an mounted  archer - as in : im paying upkeep for horse and bow+arrows ... and i managed to ballance income and upkeep so i dont lose gold anymore ( i lost some 100k when i started HA playing but i get along now ) could even slowly make gold if i wouldnt wear style/heavy gear when im in the mood ...

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 12:34:25 am »
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Don't complain about high upkeep as an archer.
You pay nothing compared to tincans or heavy cavalry but can still take on several of those guys alone.

1/ How can a silly archer kill a plated mounted tincan before eating a lance in the face ?
2/ Don't complain about repairs as archer , but I don't know how could I lose 75 k of gold :p

EDIT : Is there an other way to earn gold while playing without leeching ? I can stand to wear a short bow and a little hatchet , and leech all a round  :?

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Re: Are repairs fair ?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 12:56:32 am »
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Retire and sell LP. Use the marketplace. Don't play lottery. If you use 2 stacks of bodkins, drop one and use barbed or normal arrows instead. Saves a lot of gold and normal arrows do enough dmg if you hit low armored horses and peasants. :)
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